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Bad Music is Destroying the Church
The Catholic Herald ^ | October 2006 | James MacMillan

Posted on 10/24/2006 8:23:05 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox

In recent times the Church has developed uneasy relations with its musicians. Growing up in the 1960s and 70s I was aware of a creeping separation between my serious engagement with the study of music, the application and practice of assiduously honed skills, and what the Church seemed to need and want for its liturgy.

I soon discovered that most serious Catholic musicians were being repulsed by an increasingly rigid misinterpretation of the Second Vatican Council’s reforms on music. Clergy and “liturgists” began expressing a scarcely veiled disdain for the very expertise and learning that musicians had sought to acquire. Serious musicians were more and more caricatured as elitists, reactionaries and Tridentinists by a new philistinism in the Church. Many of those who were not subdued into a state of quietism defected to Anglican and Lutheran parishes where their skills as organists, choral directors and singers were greatly appreciated.

These other churches now regard the Catholic Church as having engaged in a cultural vandalism in the 1960s and 70s – a destructive iconoclasm which wilfully brought to an end any remnant of its massive choral tradition and its skilful application to liturgical use. In short, music in the Catholic Church is referred to with sniffs of justified derision by these other denominations which have managed to maintain high standards of music-making in their divine services.

Is this negativity justified, and if so, how did this sorry state of affairs come about? Discussions of this issue usually throw up divided opinions about the state of Catholic liturgy before the 1960s. Reform certainly seems to have been overdue. The pre-conciliar liturgy by all accounts seems to have been a ritualised expression of the moribundity that had so calcified the Church. We were certainly ready for the rejuvenating breath of the Holy Spirit to cleanse, renew and refresh every aspect of Catholicism in the modern age. However, even although the pre-conciliar liturgical experience could be an alienating endurance for some, others speak fondly of how widespread the practice of choral singing was, even in the most lowly provincial parish. Performance of major composers, from Palestrina to Mozart, seems to have been natural practice from Aberdeen to Kilmarnock, from Glasgow to Cumnock.

The Second Vatican Council was certainly not the beginning of the Church’s desire in recent times to improve musico-liturgical practice. The Church has worried away at the question of appropriate music for centuries, dating back to its earliest days. The constant centrality in the Roman rite, though, since these days has been the chant. The motivation of the Church, since the mid-19th century, to re-establish a more fully authentic liturgical life has been wrapped up with a concern for the chant.

In 1903 Pope Pius X issued his motu proprio on sacred music. Gregorian is not the only form of the chant that has been used by the churches. One need only look to the Anglicans or to Byzantium to see the shadings of a great multiplicity. There is also great potential for new forms to suit the vernacular liturgies. Gelineau and Taizé are the most obvious examples of how the modern church can respond to its great musical calling.

Although Pius was aware of the plurality of the chant, he nevertheless stressed that the attributes of holiness, goodness of form and universality were pre-eminently embodied in Gregorian chant. Since then it has been regarded as the paradigmatic form of Catholic liturgical music. Pius’s words speak of its classic nature: “The more closely a church composition approaches plain chant in movement, inspiration and feeling, the more holy and liturgical it becomes; and the more out of harmony it is with this supreme model, the less worthy it is of the temple. Special efforts should be made to restore the use of Gregorian chant by the people so that the faithful may again take a more active part in the ecclesiastical offices, as was the case in ancient times.”

The chant, Gregorian or otherwise, has cropped up in recent news stories about Pope Benedict’s hopes and fears for the Church’s liturgy. As to be expected, the media have given these stories a spin of bogus controversy and have traduced the Pontiff’s words and motivation. “An end to modern worship music” and “Pope abolishes Vatican’s Christmas pop concert” are two such headline examples. A number of liberal liturgists have rushed to condemn Benedict’s “cultural authoritarianism” and have found willing accomplices in the institutionally anti-Catholic BBC and other media outlets. The Pope is presented as a stern-faced, party-pooping disciplinarian, stamping out electric guitars, pop-crooning, and the sentimental, bubble-gum “folk” music used in many of today’s Catholic churches. Consequently we will now all have to “endure” his much-loved Mozart, Tallis, Byrd and Latin plainsong. The people queuing up to attack the Pope are the very ones who were responsible for the banal excrescences enforced on us in the name of “democratisation of the liturgy” and “active participation” over the last few decades. They claim that the Pope is forcing through a narrow, one-dimensional vision of liturgy, and imply that chant is beyond the capabilities of ordinary people. They are wrong on both counts.

First, Benedict has been quite clear that updating sacred music is eminently possible but “it should not happen outside the traditional path of Gregorian chants or sacred polyphonic choral music”.

Clearly, there are living composers who know and respect this tradition and context and can allow their contemporary work to be infused by it, and there are other composers who don’t and can’t. It is quite straightforward to understand with whom the Church can and should be working. Secondly, congregations in and outside the Catholic Church have been singing chant in Latin and in the vernacular for centuries. In Britain, the monumental efforts to keep alive the plainchant tradition over the last century have not been nurtured by the authorities. When Plainsong for Schools was published in 1933 it sold over a 100,000 copies in the first 18 months. The Society of St Gregory organised regional chant festivals throughout the land and held summer schools. Between 1937 and 1939 congregations of 2,000 and more met at Westminster Cathedral and sang the Ordinarium Missae from the Kyriale, with a schola of male amateurs singing the Proper. This shows what can and what could still be done.

There is a new momentum building in the Church which could be directed to bringing about this new, creative “reform of the reform”. Part of that momentum comes from a widespread disgust at what was described recently as “aisle-dancing and numbskull jogging for Jesus choruses at Mass”. The days of embarrassing, maudlin and sentimental dirges such as “Bind us together Lord” and “Make me a channel of your peace” may indeed be numbered. Are we seeing the end days for overhead projectors, screaming microphones and fluorescent lighting and their concomitant music, complete with incompetently strummed guitars and cringe-making, smiley, cheesy folk groups? The American writer Thomas Day describes this kind of liturgy as “a diet of romantic marshmallows indigestibly combined with stuff that grabs you by the scruff of the neck and shakes you into submission with its social message”. “What was the rationale of such music?” asked John Ainslie, one-time secretary of the Society of St Gregory, writing in the 1970s. “Many well-intentioned nuns, teachers and later priests thought that such ‘folk music’ would appeal to teenagers and young people generally and so encourage them to participate in the Liturgy instead of walk out from it.

“The term ‘folk music’ is, of course, misleading. There is nothing, for example, to link it with the English folk-song tradition... The name was no doubt coined partly because some of the early repertoire was imported from the United States, where it might have been called folk music with some justification, partly because it was felt that the style had something in common with the musical tastes of today’s younger generation and their sub-culture. But it has never been persuasively shown that whatever young people may find attractive to listen to in a disco, they will find attractive to sing in church.

“Further, the style is unsuitable for singing by large congregations... more so if the only accompaniment provided is a guitar rather than the organ, since guitars, even amplified, have insufficient ‘bite’ to keep a whole congregation singing together and to give them the support they have come to expect from the organ.” Liturgy as social engineering has probably repulsed more people from the modern Catholic Church than any of the usual list of “social crimes” trotted out by the Church’s critics. Like most ideas shaped by 1960s Marxist sociology, it has proved an utter failure. Its greatest tragedy is the wilful, de-poeticisation of Catholic worship. Our liturgy was hi-jacked by opportunists who used the vacuum created by the Council to push home a radical agenda of de-sacralisation and, ultimately, secularisation. The Church has simply aped the secular West’s obsession with “accessibility”, “inclusiveness”, “democracy” and “anti-elitism”. The effect of this on liturgy has been a triumph of bad taste and banality and an apparent vacating of the sacred spaces of any palpable sense of the presence of God. The jury is still out on any “social gains” achieved by the Church as a result. It may be timely and sobering to reflect on what we have lost.

In the early 1970s Victor Turner, the cultural anthropologist, wrote of the old Roman rite: “One advantage of the traditional Latin ritual was that it could be performed by the most diverse groups and individuals, surmounting the divisions of age, sex, ethnicity, culture, economic status, or political affiliation.

“The liturgy stands out as a magnificent objective creation if the will to assist both lovingly and well was there. Now one fears that the tendentious manipulation of particular interest-groups is liquidating the ritual bonds which held the entire heterogeneous mystical body together in worship.”

In the light of this, the reformed liturgy can be seen as yet another glaring failure by the Leftists in the Church to deliver, even according to their own agenda. It was not meant to be like this. Reading the Sacrosanctum Concilium, the Council’s document on the liturgy, one realises just how much the spirit of true reform has been betrayed by the wilful misdirection of liturgical activists in recent times:

“Servers, readers, commentators, and members of the choir also exercise a genuine liturgical function. They ought, therefore, to discharge their offices with the sincere piety and decorum demanded by so exalted a ministry and rightly expected of them by God’s people.” (Sacrosanctum Concilium [SC] Chapter 3, Section 29)

“The treasury of sacred music is to be preserved and cultivated with great care. Choirs must be assiduously developed.” (SC, Chapter 6, Section 14)

“The faithful are also to be taught that they should try to raise their mind to God through interior participation as they listen to the singing of ministers or choir.” (Musicam Sacram, Part 2, Section 14)

“Because of the liturgical ministry it exercises, the choir should be mentioned here explicitly. The conciliar norms regarding reform of the liturgy have given the choir’s function greater prominence and importance. Therefore: (a) Choirs are to be developed with great care, especially in cathedrals and other major churches, in seminaries and in religious houses of study. (b) In smaller churches as well a choir should be formed, even if there are only a few members.” (MS, Part 2, Section 19)

“The Church recognises Gregorian Chant as being specially suited to the Roman liturgy. Therefore it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.” (SC, Chapter 6, Section 116)

“Other kinds of music, especially polyphony are by no means excluded.” (SC, Chapter 6, Section 116) “The pipe organ is to be held in high esteem in the Latin Church, for it is the traditional musical instrument, the sound of which can add a wonderful splendour to the Church’s ceremonies and powerfully lifts up men’s minds to God and higher things.” (SC, Chapter 6, Section 120) “Pastors should see to it that, in addition to the vernacular, the faithful are also able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass belonging to them.” (MS, Part 2, Section 47)

It is clear, therefore, that Vatican II did not abolish choirs, the great choral tradition, Gregorian chant, organs, prayerful liturgy, or even Latin. In fact as the documents make clear here, all these things are positively encouraged. So who did abolish them?


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To: Oberon

"law met on our behalf"

I don't think I've ever heard it expressed better, Oberon.


201 posted on 10/25/2006 8:02:09 AM PDT by Twinkie (Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
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To: MineralMan

I am not sure what you mean by "text of the day". However, the claim that has been thrown about on here about people who attend a church of Christ not paying attention to the Gospels is a absurd. There is regular teaching and preaching from all sections of the Word of God.

So you are saying that Paul was mistaken when he talked about the old law being ready to "vanish away"?


202 posted on 10/25/2006 8:06:21 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: tmp02
Psalm 150 is a "song of assent" which mean the people would sing this on the way to Jerusalem, NOT in the Temple of the MOST HIGH GOD. HAVE RESPECT for God Almighty!!!!


The LORD will save me, and we will sing with stringed instruments all the days of our lives in the temple of the LORD.

Is 38:19-21

and all the Levitical singers, Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun, and their sons and kinsmen, clothed in fine linen, with cymbals, harps and lyres, standing east of the altar, and with them one hundred and twenty priests blowing trumpets

in unison when the trumpeters and the singers were to make themselves heard with one voice to praise and to glorify the LORD, and when they lifted up their voice accompanied by trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and when they praised the LORD saying, "He indeed is good for His lovingkindness is everlasting," then the house, the house of the LORD, was filled with a cloud,

so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of God

2 Chronicles 5:12-14


(also note 1 Chron 15:16 2 Chron 29:27, 2 Chron 30:21, 2 Chron 34:12 2 Chron 7:6, 2 Chron 29:26 ) The Levites where keepers of the tabernacle and later temple...it should be noted they are the ones specifically mentioned as playing the instruments.

It is unreasonable to believe they ever carried instruments into the Holy of Holies, but "standing east of the altar, and with them one hundred and twenty priests blowing trumpets", at a minimum the sound was clearly heard in the tebernacle and they were most likely standing within the outer wall of the tabernacle.

I have great respect for Christians who believe worship should only include what is directly commanded (regulatory principle), I also have great respect for Christians who believe they are free to include other items in worship. I also have respect for Christains who note that there is exists bad, unskillful Christian music because there clearly does. There also exists 'Christain' music which is not designed to worship God. The psalmist wrote:
"Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy"
Psalm 33:3
Playing instruments (skillfully) as an act of worship is directly commanded and clearly does not fall under the regulatory principle. "Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ"

The culmination of all of history will result in singing praise to God...(Rev 5)

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing." And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

203 posted on 10/25/2006 8:07:39 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: jkl1122

"So you are saying that Paul was mistaken when he talked about the old law being ready to "vanish away"?"

Nope. I'm saying that you are misunderstanding what Paul is saying. Again, read Matthew. How long has it been since you sat down and read the entire book of Matthew? It will take you less than an hour to read it carefully.

Jesus was very clear about the law, and that it would not pass away until everything was gone.

Still, this thread has been about instrumental music in the church. There's no reason that a church MUST have instrumental music, but there's also no prohibition of it anywhere in the Bible.

To each his own. Each denomination or congregation can easily decide what music, if any, occurs during worship. Nothing in scripture dictates anything regarding this.

It's foolish and arrogant for one denomination or congregation to insist that only a particular kind of music is proper, aside from a requirement that the music be sacred in nature.

You think that all music in church should be unaccompanied. OK. Then that's what you should do. However, that is not scriptural. It's OK, I'm sure, but so is the music in a church with a magnificent pipe organ, or hymns accompanied by a guitar, or even an entire orchestra, if that is what inspires worship in that congregation. Even the contemporary worhip music that so many of us old folks don't appreciate is fine...if it inspires worship.

Nitpicky...and incorrect...interpretation of isolated verses is what has led to the fractionalization of Christianity into sects and denominations. I doubt that was Jesus' idea for the Church.

Read Matthew.


204 posted on 10/25/2006 8:14:47 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: jkl1122

I'm aware of the verses and in fact there is a dispute as to whether Christ is saying there is no marriage in heaven, or whether he's saying that the state of marriage is different etc.

I've seen people with very comprehensive backgrounds debate this quite a bit.


205 posted on 10/25/2006 8:15:02 AM PDT by kawaii ((Orthodox, and quite happy with church music))
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To: FreedomProtector
The Noise of War

Trumpets always sound the presence of the LORD is NEAR (ie. Gabriel). Get yourself prepared. But these instruments are never in the Temple. They are either "east of" the alter and they were always joyous because the Hebrews were coming to meet their LORD and Saviour. Now some music was "NOISE OF WAR" as was the music that the Hebrews did when Moses went into the Mount with GD. GD was very angry about the golden calf and the noise. How about today? HE IS VERY ANGRY!!! We have no fear of Gd any more and if we did, our nation would be a totally different place. More people would be serving Gd then actually occurs.

As you quote
"The LORD will save me, and we will sing with stringed instruments all the days of our lives in the temple of the LORD." Song of assent (this is held traditionally by the Israel) and of joy in the heart. But not done in the actual temple in the Holy Word.

All your verses about the HOLINESS of GD and the mist/smoke was sure sign that no one was standing "He indeed is good for His lovingkindness is everlasting," then the house, the house of the LORD, was filled with a cloud, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of God "

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing." And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

This (Rev 5) is a different time when SIN is no more and music will be without any sin and will not be pulled from a culture (I'm guessing since it is heaven and heaven is without sin). The music in heaven and when this situation occurs will be a different music from today. We may even be able to hear light waves. This is not a good example of music used in the temple in the past or music that should be used today. The past is all that we can follow.
206 posted on 10/25/2006 9:02:19 AM PDT by tmp02 (Do you spend more time reading the Bible or listening to music?)
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To: jkl1122
When a specific command was given in these cases, doing something outside of that specific command was not authorized.

All right...if that's the standard...then you would say that when a specific command is issued by God to individuals, that those individuals should follow that command explicitly, neither adding nor omitting anything.

Is that an accurate assessment of your point of view?

207 posted on 10/25/2006 9:14:43 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

I would agree.


208 posted on 10/25/2006 9:16:10 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: tmp02

"The Noise of War"

The LORD will save me, and we will sing with stringed instruments all the days of our lives in the temple of the LORD.

Is 38:19-21

Are you implying that there will be war all the days of our lives? I respectfully, yet wholeheartedly disagree with you. I look forward to singing together with you at "a different time in the future".


209 posted on 10/25/2006 9:19:34 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: FreedomProtector
You are making me spend time on this...

"Noise of War"

Please read Ex 32 specially 17 and 19 (when dance is "war like" in this passage) Read the whole chapter if you need:

5And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.

16And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

17And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp.

18And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear.

19And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.


In regards to "The LORD will save me, and we will sing with stringed instruments all the days of our lives in the temple of the LORD." How often did the people go to Jerusalem? David is giving a picture of the joy that he has in his heart towards Gd. Or is this literal? Please read 150 again. What is being said in the passage? Maybe read it 5 times. Question: is this literal or is David joyful with the intimacy of the LORD.
210 posted on 10/25/2006 9:36:44 AM PDT by tmp02 (Do you spend more time reading the Bible or listening to music?)
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To: FreedomProtector

Oh. and read vs 18 too


211 posted on 10/25/2006 9:38:33 AM PDT by tmp02 (Do you spend more time reading the Bible or listening to music?)
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To: tmp02

I think that the "Noise of War" may have been Christian Rock. But I'm just guessing.


212 posted on 10/25/2006 9:40:28 AM PDT by tmp02 (Do you spend more time reading the Bible or listening to music?)
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To: tmp02

...or maybe Hebrew Rock...


213 posted on 10/25/2006 9:41:43 AM PDT by tmp02 (Do you spend more time reading the Bible or listening to music?)
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To: Dumb_Ox

Rock musicians have hijacked the faith. Seems like everybody's got Jesus these days.


214 posted on 10/25/2006 9:51:42 AM PDT by Gotterdammerung
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To: jkl1122
I would agree.

In that case, I'm afraid you've failed to meet your own standard.

The commands given in the books of Ephesians and Colossians were given specifically to the members of the churches in Ephesus and Colosse. Unless you are a member of one of those churches, the command wasn't given specifically to you.

And before you call it a spurious argument, remember the standard to which you agreed: "When a specific command is issued by God to individuals, that those individuals should follow that command explicitly, neither adding nor omitting anything."

By that standard, your presumption to worship according to the commands given the Ephesians and Colossians is no more appropriate than for a Benjamite to offer sacrifice in the place of a Levitical priest.

Plainly something is amiss...but I don't think it's my logic. My point is that, unless God comes to you personally and gives you a specific command, you necessarily have to make some working assumptions about how one relates to God. Your practice with regard to instrumental music is just such an assumption. Reasonable? Sure. Correct? Maybe. Binding on all of Christendom? No.

215 posted on 10/25/2006 10:28:20 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

If that is how you are wanting to circumvent clear teaching of the Word of God, that is your decision. The fact is that the command was given to those congregations. And since God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), a command to a congregation of the Lord's body by an inspired writer is a command to all members of the Lord's body.


216 posted on 10/25/2006 10:36:57 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
And since God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), a command to a congregation of the Lord's body by an inspired writer is a command to all members of the Lord's body.

I agree. That's not where the problem is.

217 posted on 10/25/2006 10:38:27 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

According to you, that is the reason that this command is not applicable to us today. Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?


218 posted on 10/25/2006 10:42:27 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?

Yes, I believe you are.

I pointed out that, according to a strict application of your principle...namely, that when specific people are given specific commands by the Lord, they are to obey them explicitly, neither adding nor omitting anything...Christians in general should not presume to follow orders that were clearly addressed specifically to the churches in Ephesus and Colosse. According to that principle, those orders aren't for us...they are only for Ephesians and Colossians.

But that's a fallacy, one you spotted immediately. The modern church operates under the understanding that principles that apply to those historical churches apply to modern churches as well.

Understand, please, that this "understanding" that I cite above is not stated explicitly in scripture, all of which was written for a specific place and time that is neither here nor now. We appropriate the scriptures and apply them to our lives, and to the local bodies in which we worship.

What does that mean in terms of practice? It means that some interpretation must be made, some reasonable adjustment to our practice which allows for differences between Asia Minor and here, and between 100 AD and now. For example: I bet you worship in a church building. The first-century church worshiped in homes, or in synagogues. Why should we feel free to worship in a building with no first-century precedent, and yet not feel free to worship with instruments that have no first-century precedent? Particularly when Israel's great hero David was a harpist and psalmist of the first degree?

I ask you to understand what you know, and how you know it. No analysis of the original Greek texts for Colossians or Ephesians can squeeze the meaning "without instruments" from the relevant passages that deal with singing hymns of praise.

We don't need a biblical citation to know that we should wear clothes to worship, because going clothed in public is the usual practice. Likewise, for many people, accompanying singing...even worship singing...with instruments is the usual practice. This is the understanding under which we operate.

219 posted on 10/25/2006 11:05:44 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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