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Bad Music is Destroying the Church
The Catholic Herald ^ | October 2006 | James MacMillan

Posted on 10/24/2006 8:23:05 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox

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To: FreedomProtector; All

Psalm 150 is a "song of assent" which mean the people would sing this on the way to Jerusalem, NOT in the Temple of the MOST HIGH GOD. HAVE RESPECT for God Almighty!!!!


181 posted on 10/25/2006 7:03:48 AM PDT by tmp02 (Don't come to the US, we use pig's blood on our bullets.)
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To: jkl1122
There is a difference between an expedient or aid, and addition to a command.

Again, "Says You." Why is is that musical instruments are singled out? Where is the Biblical basis for your distinction between "an expedient or aid" and "an addition to a command"? Why are songbooks one, and instruments the other?

It's apparent to me that you are doing your best to find a rational explanation and scriptural defense for something you learned as a tradition. Don't worry about it; it's something most serious Christians experience at least once in their lives. With regard to the issue of instrumental music in church, your perspective plainly makes sense to you, and it does no harm to the Gospel for you to worship without instrumental music. However, to state generally that instruments are forbidden in Christian music is to overstep your Biblical authority, and to cause your brothers and sisters in this very public forum to stumble. Let's not, all right?

182 posted on 10/25/2006 7:13:03 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

I pointed out a Biblical precedent regarding going beyond what is specifically commanded. I have done all I can do.

God Bless.


183 posted on 10/25/2006 7:20:08 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: Oberon

Oberon, I think that the earthly man-organized version of the Church of Christ members (which should have been named The Church of Jesus Christ the Son of God and would have been if they had thought of it) need to simply enjoy wallowing in their delusion that because of the name they have on the sign in front of their church houses, everyone else is relegated to Hell for being called - say - The Church of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, or The Church of Jesus the Christ, or Bethlehem Baptist Church , etc. Never mind that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is taught inside the doors; they don't read the words written in red much or they would know that Jesus was delighted when others besides his disciples were baptizing. He stated that those who were not against Him were for Him. Any place the Gospel is preached, I am glad. If piano music in the schoolhouse won't send one to Hell, then piano music in the church house won't send one to Hell. There is nothing sacred about a building. The thing these CoC folks can't seem to get through their heads is that NO ONE is trying to get them to quit singing acapella. . and that EVERY organization run by men is full of roody pooh, and the CoC is just as much an organization run by men as any of the others. They just think they have the "perfect" understanding of it ALL, which they do not.


184 posted on 10/25/2006 7:23:27 AM PDT by Twinkie (Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
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To: TommyDale
Today's "worship leaders" remind me of children playing with disposable plastic trinkets, oblivious to the overflowing treasure chests around them, filled with the distilled wealth of centuries.
185 posted on 10/25/2006 7:29:50 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Twinkie; Oberon; All

I don't hate or think badly of anyone on this forum. I love everyone here, and if I have even implied otherwise, then accept this as my sincere apology.


186 posted on 10/25/2006 7:31:15 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
The Old Testament is to be used "for our learning" but it does not serve as our authority.

OK, it's "God's Word, emeritus," what GOd believed before He evolved to our level of modern sophistication. Do I understand you?

187 posted on 10/25/2006 7:31:42 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: MineralMan
As you will see in Psalms 150, musical instruments have been part of worship for a very, very long time. Since your verses prohibit nothing, then Psalms 150 is still in force, I'd say, based on my own studies.

Your point of view is much in the minority amongst Christians.

A scholar I respect speaks of "micro-calvinist denominations, with membership rolls inversely proportional to their theological precision." Some Christians find hairs to split, others find a world of opportunities to do things for the glory of God and the blessing of neighbor.

188 posted on 10/25/2006 7:34:18 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley

Absolutely not. The Old Law is no longer in effect. The new covenant is in effect.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


189 posted on 10/25/2006 7:35:30 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: TommyDale
Now the "Christian Rock" and contemporary choruses that repeat the same words over, and over, and over again are just too much to handle.

Remember "bubble-gum rock?" Puerile and banal lyrics, simple tunes ... Bubble-gum hymnody chews the same mouthful over and over again until all the flavor is leached out of it.

190 posted on 10/25/2006 7:39:09 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: jkl1122
Absolutely not. The Old Law is no longer in effect.

I would say, rather, that the Old Law has been met on our behalf. That doesn't mean it's no longer in effect.

191 posted on 10/25/2006 7:39:15 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: jkl1122
Absolutely not. The Old Law is no longer in effect.

I would say, rather, that the Old Law has been met on our behalf. That doesn't mean it's no longer in effect.

192 posted on 10/25/2006 7:39:17 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon

Please notice the verse I quoted from Hebrews. The old covenant has been made obsolete.


193 posted on 10/25/2006 7:41:43 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: TomSmedley
"Bubble-gum hymnody chews the same mouthful over and over again until all the flavor is leached out of it."

Good analogy! Sugarless bubble-gum, no less!

194 posted on 10/25/2006 7:42:03 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: TomSmedley

"Remember "bubble-gum rock?" Puerile and banal lyrics, simple tunes ... Bubble-gum hymnody chews the same mouthful over and over again until all the flavor is leached out of it."

Kind of like that "It's a Small World, After All" song, eh?

Still, while I don't particularly care for Christian Rock, I'm sure there were folks who objected to virtually all Christian music at the time it was introduced. Even basic polyphony was fought against by many when it was introduced into the Church. After all, what was the matter with good old plainsong? [grin]


195 posted on 10/25/2006 7:42:39 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: jkl1122

"Absolutely not. The Old Law is no longer in effect."

Jesus disagree with you on that. Do have a read through Matthew.


196 posted on 10/25/2006 7:43:32 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: jkl1122; Oberon

Anything else I might add has already been covered well by Oberon.

The Lord bless both of you and yours.


197 posted on 10/25/2006 7:44:53 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Holy Bible AND the Constitution. Words mean things.)
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To: MineralMan

Hewbrews 10:9
then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.


198 posted on 10/25/2006 7:50:17 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122

As I said, a read through of Matthew will answer your questions. I always find that when I'm having trouble knowing what someone meant to say after reading accounts of it, I try to find that person's actual words. It's amazing what a help that is.

Paul was not Jesus. Paul knew that better than anyone, and said so. Go see what Jesus said....then read Paul's letters.

I think you mentioned that you were a member of a Church of Christ congregation. When was the last time that the text of the day was from one of the Gospels, rather than from one of the Epistles?


199 posted on 10/25/2006 7:57:22 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: jkl1122

"I don't hate or think badly of anyone on this forum. I love everyone here, and if I have even implied otherwise, then accept this as my sincere apology."

No apology necessary. You haven't done anything wrong, dear. Love you, too. Have a good day in the Lord.


200 posted on 10/25/2006 7:57:24 AM PDT by Twinkie (Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
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