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To: Uncle Chip
Is the legend of the Roman Church true or is Scripture?

No place in Scripture is there anything that shows that Peter's Roman bishopric was not 25 years.

-A8

1,321 posted on 10/25/2006 8:28:16 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

No place in Scripture is there anything that shows that Peter's Roman bishopric was not 25 years.
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And NO PLACE in Scripture indicates such even began, at all.

Extrapolations, inferences, human postulations on a vague metaphorical phrase . . . just doesn't cut it to any level remotely sufficient to assert such an important issue.


1,339 posted on 10/25/2006 9:12:20 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: adiaireton8
No place in Scripture is there anything that shows that Peter's Roman bishopric was not 25 years.

An amazing statement!!!!!! And this shows how rhetoricians deal with facts and the absence of them. They can claim anything to be true, no matter how ridiculous, as long as there is no one around to contradict them.

There is no credible place outside of Scripture that shows that Peter's Roman Bishopric was 25 years either. That's the point. Where is your first century proof? Your 2nd century proof? 3rd century? Jerome's and Eusebius's pontifications of such in the 4th century provide no evidence for their claim? If church people are to trust them them, they need to know who they trusted for their outrageous claim. Scripture together with the absence of any credible evidence for Eusebius's and Jerome's claims are witnesses against them.

1,357 posted on 10/25/2006 10:27:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: adiaireton8; Uncle Chip; kerryusama04; wmfights
No place in Scripture is there anything that shows that Peter's Roman bishopric was not 25 years.

Three years after Paul's conversion Peter is still in and around Jerusalem [Acts 9 through 11] A.D.40.

Peter is imprisoned by Agrippa I and delivered by an Angel of the Lord [Acts 12]. Herod Agrippa dies [Acts 12:17-23]. This would have been the fourth year of the reign of Claudius according to Josephus....A.D.45.

A.D. 54 finds Paul visiting Peter again in Jerusalem [Galatians 2] and Peter returned the visit to Antioch and sees Paul [Galatians 2:11-14. The dates, of course, determined by [Galatians 2:1].

From A.D. 54 to A.D. 60 Peter apparently made journeys through the old Assyrian Empire (as instructed by Matthew 10:5-6) taking his wife along with him [I Corinthians 9:5].

When Paul salutes the folks in Rome in his epistle to them [Romans 16] in about the year 60 A.D., he never mentions the name of Peter. This would be quite strange if Peter had been holding an office in the Church there for some 25 years. He does mention 27 other people affiliated with the Church at Rome though.

While Paul is under arrest in Rome from A.D. 60/63 he writes four letters: Ephesians; Philipians; Colossians; and Philemon.....not once mentioning the presence of Peter. Right before his death Paul writes to Timothy stating that only Luke is with him [II Timothy 4:11] asking him to go get Mark (Peter's companion) and bring the scroll and Parchments that he had left at Troas [II Timothy 4:11-13]. Not once is Peter mentioned in this epistle and since Paul is asking for the presence of Mark only we can assume that Peter is already dead.

Peter, as an Apostle to the circumcised (Israelites), had no business in Rome......cause there were not any Israelites living there. They were Gentiles.

1,438 posted on 10/25/2006 2:46:34 PM PDT by Diego1618
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