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To: Alamo-Girl
Thousands upon thousands of people claim that they have the Spirit and that the Spirit leads them into all truth, and yet they all disagree with each other. And since truth cannot contradict truth, it follows that they cannot all have the Spirit and the truth. Therefore, what makes you think you out of all those thousands upon thousands of persons, you are lucky enough to the one who really does have the Spirit and the truth?

Imagine a die with 100,000 sides. You get one roll. Would you bet your life on landing on 56,433? And yet, you seem to be willing to bet your eternal life that you indeed have the Spirit and the truth, even though thousands upon thousands of other persons claim think that they too have the Spirit and the truth, and yet disagree with you.

-A8

1,194 posted on 10/24/2006 11:29:03 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
Thousands upon thousands of people claim that they have the Spirit and that the Spirit leads them into all truth, and yet they all disagree with each other.

Let's be even clearer. Millions of people have been killed and many more probably will be killed by people who are doing nothing more than following the dictates of a "spirit" that visited Muhammad in a cave.

1,196 posted on 10/24/2006 11:38:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: adiaireton8; Quix
Thank you for your reply!

Thousands upon thousands of people claim that they have the Spirit and that the Spirit leads them into all truth, and yet they all disagree with each other. And since truth cannot contradict truth, it follows that they cannot all have the Spirit and the truth. Therefore, what makes you think you out of all those thousands upon thousands of persons, you are lucky enough to the one who really does have the Spirit and the truth?

You are certainly welcome to protest my testimony on the basis of your mental reasoning, that is the first cause of disagreement between believers in my view, i.e. a difference in how we know what we know and how sure we are that we know it.

I'd rather you not judge me at all, but if you must then my preference would be for you to judge me on the basis laid out by Jesus Christ in Matthew 7, and further specified in Galatians 5:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. - Matthew 7:15-20

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23

Thanks for the engaging conversation!

1,205 posted on 10/24/2006 12:51:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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