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To: adiaireton8; Quix
Thank you so much for the further explanation!

Nevertheless, I dismiss it out-of-hand because there is no ipso facto as it suggests here:

For contemporary gnosticism, we are saved by the "Word", by "hearing the Word", and thus by knowledge.

Rather it is despite "knowledge" that we are saved - which is to say we receive a "divine revelation." IOW, that Jesus Christ is Lord is not something we can reason or perceive by hearing or other senses.

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. - John 8:43

The persons to whom Christ was speaking were hearing Him physically, their physical ears were registering the pressure waves and their physical brains were processing - but they were not hearing Him spiritually.

That is the difference - spiritual hearing is nothing man can develop for himself, it is a gift of God.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. - John 10:26-28


1,138 posted on 10/23/2006 10:40:11 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix
Salvation by divine "revelation" is even more akin to the gnostics of the first and second centuries than salvation by knowledge acquired by sense perception, for divine "revelation" per se has nothing to do with matter or the incarnation. In fact, talking about "spiritual hearing" or any other species of higher knowledge or spiritual knowledge is even more evidence of gnosticism. For that is exactly what the gnostics of the first centuries claimed, that they were saved by a higher [hidden to the unenlightened], spiritual knowledge.

-A8

1,140 posted on 10/23/2006 11:06:57 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Amen, of course! LUB


1,160 posted on 10/24/2006 8:14:47 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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