Posted on 10/21/2006 4:52:03 AM PDT by NYer
This may be no more than a semantics thing, i.e. grieving the Spirit is the result of resisting Him in my word usage whereas to you the cut is evidently between salvation [irresistible drawing of the elect] and sinning [nature of man to grieve the Spirit through sin.]
A new heaven and new earth inhabited by folks with new updated bodies(conduits)..
What a concept.. Would make a good movie..
Wonder if there will be a new HELL?...
Perhaps you can see it like this:
To "resist" the Spirit is basicly unbelief-- rejecting the message of the HS,, who's role is to always point to Christ.
No one can actually resist the power of the HS. It would be kinda like God saying"1000, tonight your soul will be required of you by my hand"
and old silverlings saying "No I don't think so"
Grieving the HS is sinning when an indwelt Christian no longer has to.
THANKS TONS for that.
True. I cherish hearts and souls and even minds of all stripes. Shrillery's is sort of on probation but she's a special case. LOL.
However, I don't mind being outrageously hyperbolic and satirical about deceptions of the enemy which, from my perspective and observation, --deceptions, distortions, lies which are eternally deadly to souls, hearts and minds. I especially am prone to being that way when confronted with what, to me, are outrageous hypocrisies in the perspectives cited.
To me, outrageous satire and hyperbole are many levels nicer and more benign than outrageous hypocrisies.
And, in the history of such threads, I understand the other perspective has historically been fiercely assaultive to persons. So, I'm not real clear on what basis offense has been chosen. Doesn't seem to me like a stoneless one is available to anyone.
So, I am saddened when folks take offense. But, in my experiences on the farm, it's the stuck porkers who squeel the loudest. If a perspective can't take the heat, maybe it needs some adjustment or at least some new mirrors.
I think satire provides some of the most potent mirrors any of us could ask for. I'm happy if anyone's satire or hyperbole . . . even outrageous mocking . . . causes me to examine fruitfully even the possibility of hypocrisy on my part. I may not enjoy every word and phrase initially. They may smart or even hurt deeply. But I try to take that as a sign that something needs examined more carefully, prayerfully and probably more with Holy Spirit's searchlight of Biblical Truth.
Pain is informative--hopefully toward healing and growth. Even the pain of satire ought to be so, imho. Else I wouldn't risk it.
Am humbled by your wisdom and perceptiveness and very mature modeling hereon. Of course, I also happen to agree pretty wholesale with your thoroughly Biblical and reality based perspective.
You confirm publicly what I know to be true about you, that you love everyone and like to use satire to warn others you sense are in danger in one way or another.
Some non-Calvinists around are hilarious posters who can be brutal with their wit as they challenge Calvinism. As an outsider to the conversation looking in, I can appreciate the wit - and the occasional ruffled feathers it causes.
I'm sure if it goes "overboard" the Religion Moderator pulls it.
Additional pondering . . .
I think PC thinking has left a lot . . . of evidently even some FREEPERS with the notion that we have a right to avoid being offended.
In a sense, we do. We have the right to refuse to be offended regardless of what anyone else does or says. But then that's a right exclusively reserved for Arminians! LOL.
Calvinists have no choice about whether they are going to be offended or not. God has already decreed it. So, there's no point in their railing at the supposed trigger. They need to rail at God, instead. LOL.
But other than the right to choose what level of stimulus will offend in what context . . . there is no right to not be offended! Sheesh! Especially in America on a Conservative forum?!!!
Sweetness and light are wonderful in their place.
But I hope to goodness someone resists THE TEMPTATION to AVOID OFFENDING me, if my perspective, behavior or anything else need hit upside the head with a figurative 2 X 4 to wake me up to outrageous inconsistencies, outrageous thinking; outrageous speaking, writing; outrageous theologies.
Certainly Jesus was not the slightest hesitant to be satiracle and even verbally assaultive at perspectives, positions which were deadly. I do try and follow that example, earnestly.
. . . prayerfully, out of similiar motivation.
True. True.
And praise God for that. And for the tireless RM. He sure deserves a thousand fold increase in salary.
Oh, that would still be nothing. Oh, well.
Not in the Heavenly account! PTL for that.
I do have one problem.
My perspective is so . . . something . . . varied, unique, broad scoped . . . diverse . . . flexible to a point . . .
I honestly have a relatively poor criteria/screen for what "overboard" is in a number of situations.
Maybe it's too many compteting facets I see or perspectives I look from or through. I tend to see a dozen reasons why something is far from "overboard" and fail to see a more important key one why something might be.
Besides that, I tend to believe, feel that in an open forum like this--where the main rule is against personal assault . . . positions and perspectives ought to be able to stand any kind of withering verbalisms short of lewd vocabulary. If something isn't true--why get wound up about it. If it is true, learn from it. What's the big deal regardless of how outrageous the language, satire, etc.
But, I certainly realize that others--including the tireless RM either has or has to have a perspective that's thankfully not a carbon copy of my own.
So, I certainly welcome, even beg of the beleagured RM that he not hesitate to let me know if and when I even dangerously APPROACH going overboard. I really don't have a hobby of crowding the limits. I just know that merely being me can too often do so in some contexts.
A-G, RM, Love you both and all the rest hereon, too.
Uhhhhh . . . not humorous?
To whom?
This is a Beautiful Testimony to the Power of our Glorious Christ, and it Blessed my Heart to Read it! I Believe these Things 100% with my Heart, and have Tasted the Sweetness of our Christ as our Sole and Only Salvation, and our Only Eternal Life, but I've Mentioned in the Past that I've Personally been Afraid I'm but a "Head-Knowledger," One of those in Heb.6 that has 'Tasted the Heavenly Gift,' but has Not Truly Partaken, or One of the "Lord-Lorders" in Matt 7. I Trust our Christ as my Only Righteousness before our Holy God, and Pray I am Genuine, because I Want to Fellowship with our Lord's Children throughout Eternity; I Love you All So Very, Very Much.
I Love your Post!
It certainly would be. I chuckle sometimes at the thoughts of some that heaven will be boring. LOL!
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Indeed. I always thought Jung was messed up on his assumptions about such things.
I still think that DADDY has some fun birthday party type surprises for HIS KIDS come that glorious day.
Thanks for all you are and do hereon and in The Kingdom.
If there is no way any of us can resist the Holy Spirit, then how do you explain this passage?
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - 1 John 1:8-10
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Indeed. And, Resist the enemy and he will flee is similar. If humans have no capacity to CHOOSE to resist HOLY SPIRIT &/or satan. . . then such Scriptures about resisting must be supreme . . . passing gas, flinging hot air randomly?!
Certainly true.
Though, on that particular issue--whether we are sanctified moments before we are translated into our glorified bodies or at the moment . . . strikes me as akin to the issue of angels and pinheads.
Oh, this one.
Perhaps I've replied all the market will bear to this one! LOL.
SCRIPTURE
depicts, displays, asserts, presents . . .
BOTH-AND
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There are mysteries. Meat-axing and shoehorning EVERYTHING 100% & ONLY into absolute determinism is NOT Biblical.
To be led by the Holy Spirit is not to be sinless. It is, however, to finally begin to hate our sins and wish to flee from them. We won't be able to completely, of course. We are human beings, after all. Human beings are not God. Human beings sin.
But if we are led by the Holy Spirit, we will be sanctified in our Christian walk by Christ within us. We will sin less and less, knowing more and more how abhorrent our transgressions are to God who has shown us mercy.
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VERY WELL PUT, imho.
Of course, doesn't apply to Calvinists . . . they have no choice about such things.
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