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As a matter of fact,right after the encyclical Humana Vitae was published quite a few couples left the Church because they fully intended to continue practicing birth control.

Between those who left because the Church was too strict and those that left because it was too lenient (the changing over to the New Order Mass from the Tridentine,most often) there was a whole lot of movin' going on in the 70's especially.

That was probably better than the decade that followed when those who thought it was too lenient just stayed and proclaimed that whatever they did or said was just fine with God, all He seemed to require was that we all be "happy little Catholics". Ugh!!

I do think things are getting much better as the old guard dissident bishops are dying off and the poor uncatechized or discontented catholic groupies are appalled and disturbed by the orthodox Catholic Bishops,who are replacing them. Many are now disgruntled and leaving although some are still fighting furiously.Imagine that!!

I know of what you speak, but I was talking about recent defections. My local parish, for example, has priests (two) who tell parents that homosexuality isn't a sin, while a gay lay member on the staff constantly runs around with teen age boys. And on and on. As a teen, I grew up in a church with Gilbert Gauthe (diocese Lafayette, La) - a notorious pedophile priest. I, for one, have a hard time believing that gay priests are a small minority. I believe that the actual gay pedophiles are a small minority, but there's way too many pushing a liberal agenda.

Then there was the liberal retreat house I used to visit...

I can't tell you how many people I know in the last few years who have defected to conservative fundamentalist/evangelical churches.

I'll probably always be a Catholic at heart, but I'm thinking of visiting the Orthodox church just a couple of miles away.

I know "the faith." I've read the books. My family is so catholic we should be related to the pope. LOL I know who Steve Wood, Scott Hahn, blah, blah, blah. I just don't have faith that it's the only real faith anymore.

I"m looking into the Orthodox church a couple of miles from my house. I just can't take it anymore. Two men in my family were approached by pedophiles in the church, including my husband as a teen.

Stick a fork in me. I'm done.