Posted on 10/11/2006 9:29:49 AM PDT by Antioch
Before criticizing Pentecostal churches that draw Catholics as members, Catholic leaders should ask why their own parishes aren't meeting the needs of those who leave, the Vatican's top ecumenical representative said yesterday at Duquesne University. "Our response cannot be in the form of a polemical approach, leaving ourselves to condemn the activities of other groups," said Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. Such an approach "is not constructive and could even be counter-productive," he said. While Cardinal Kasper is known for outreach to traditional Protestant and Orthodox churches, he said it is crucial to be engaged with a diverse global Pentecostal movement that now claims 600 million adherents. He spoke to an audience of about 225, including Bishop Paul Bradley, administrator of the Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh, Metropolitan Basil Schott of the Byzantine Catholic Archeparchy of Pittsburgh, Episcopal Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh and Metropolitan Nicholas of the Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Church of Johnstown.
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You're not making your particular confession look good. Vile accusations and silly attempts to psychoanalyze your neighbour are most unbecoming.
Forgive my stupidity, but what is a Noachide?
I disagree with the 'once a Catholic, always a Catholic.' My husband was Catholic, as was our pastor, but they no longer are and never will be again.
And this "real presence" of yours isn't a miracle? What is it, a scientific phenomenon?
Why are you so fond of Lourdes and Fatima if you don't need miracles? Why don't you just admit that you believe in Catholic miracles and deny everyone else's? Wouldn't that be more honest?
Wonderful. Thanks, Quix.
"Confession?" I don't have a "confession!"
You ain't doin' Catholicism a heck of a lot of good either by refusing to address the issue that you defend "de-mythologization" of the "old testament" while pretending to a supernatural belief.
Not at all. As our FRiend ZC (Courtesy Ping) is fond of pointing out, we Catholics have our long history of 'Certified Catholic Miracles" (tm) which continue to the present day. Indeed, a close friend of mine (No, I'm not going into specifics) was the beneficiary of one of those CCM (tm) a few years back. So, you see, I'm not arguing against miracles from the beginning of time to the present day. My point, rather, is that seeking them, demanding them, is a bad thing. Claiming that their seemingly obvious presence in Community A and their seemingly obvious absence in Community B is proof or even evidence of the superiority of A over B is a bad thing. Our Lord (Yes, ZC, even yours) condemned such thinking.
I apologize if I was misinterpreting you earlier (so you do believe in miracles then?), but I don't understand your defense of people who illogically subject the "old testament" to the rigors of "science" while insisting on the literal truth of every word of the "new testament." Other than illogic or theological anti-Semitism, what other reason could there be for such idiocy?
He's such a fine young man. He's loving, compassionate, caring. He married a Bahai and she's a great person but influenced his decision to leave Christ and serve a dead god. I pray all the time for truth to prevail. Her mother is a devoted Bahai and she was raised in it so it's hard to reach them. I don't even try. We have a good relationship now and I just shut my mouth and pray. I have prayed that prayer for all of my children.
Dear Zionist Conspirator,
"It is all-or-nothing."
Assertion without argument.
"You have no grounds other than sheer hypocrisy or theological anti-Semitism to insist that the 'new testament' is literally true word-for-word while simultaneously subjecting the Hebrew Bible to the tests of 'science.' It's totally illogical and absolutely disgusting."
If you wish to continue a dialogue, I'd appreciate it if you try to control yourself and not call my beliefs "disgusting," "anti-semitic," or the like. I refrain from the perjorative characterization of your beliefs and actions as they appear from a Catholic perspective.
Anyway, Catholics don't believe that the Bible - any part of it - was dictated, letter-by-letter, in Hebrew, by God.
Not the Old Testament nor the New Testament.
We believe that men wrote the books of the Bible, divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit, inerrant and infallible - all true.
But no letter-for-letter dictation in Hebrew.
So, what is axiomatic for you, and what draws you to certain conclusions, has little meaning or relevance for us.
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No, actually, it doesn't. We want to see miracles happening in our own lives and in our own times. The Holy Spirit is the same, today, yesterday and forever. I'm seeing miracles happening in my family that I never thought possible. Healing of relationships but not physical healing yet.
But of course it is. It's also recorded in the Bible.
The point, in case it wasn't obvious, isn't that miracles haven't been happening since the beginning of time (indeed the very act of Creation, however it was carried out, was and is itself a miracle). The point is that demanding them is a bad thing.
Actually, it would be a horrendous lie. You're asking me to lie. You're asking me to speak with the voice of demons. You're practically demanding it. No, sir. That I will not do.
Now, that probably made your head explode, so I'll give you a bit of time to reassemble it. When you do reassemble it, please try to tone down the belligerence and hostility and try to enhance the thinking and listening capability.
;'}
I'm not for an instant denouncing miracles. I'm denouncing those who demand them.
Blessed are they who have not seen, and have believed.
Sorry, meant to ping you both.
Sorry for being brusque.
But, personally, I find the question far too similar to many asked by the pharisees.
In other words, I don't have an answer to your question and it's far easier to call you a Pharisee so I can deflect the attention off my lack of Scriptural support. I see.
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