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To: 1000 silverlings; Diego1618; Dr. Eckleburg
Galatians is written to Jewish Christians: 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage ? 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. Philippians 3:1-3. 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Just to be clear, do you believe that Paul is calling holy days that the almighty eternal God created, such as the day of atonement, "weak and beggarly elements"?

28 posted on 09/29/2006 5:54:43 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54

Paul was addressing two groups in Galatians, the false teachers who were formerly Jewish and the converted, formerly pagan Galatians. As it would be blasphemy, both for anyone and for Paul to call God's ordained holy days anything like weak and beggarly, and since verse 3, chapter 4, mentions the elements of the world, it is clear that the elements of the world, not God is what he is addressing, or pagan beliefs.


29 posted on 09/29/2006 6:11:20 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (why is it so difficult to understand?)
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To: DouglasKC
St Paul suggested that those who tried to live by the law could never fully keep its ordinances, therefore they were under 'the curse of the law.' He also refered to the commandments at Sinai as 'ordinances of death.' Therefore, they need Jesus as the appointed sacrifice to free them of sin.

There are a couple of problems with this (thus some of the debates you might see on this thread, etc.) But, in my view, one of simplest objections to the 'law is a curse' argument, is just that through book after book of the Bible, no one seems to suggest it is impossible to keep, although many of the Prophets point out that there is a lot more to keeping the law than outward observances.

Some would argue that the Old Testament is abrogated by the New, but even in the New Testament we read of: 'a certain priest named Zacharias ... and his wife ... and they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord, blameless.' (Luke 1,5-6)

A standard theological response to these questions is given by John Calvin who says:

When [God] calls it a “perpetual” or eternal “covenant,” the Jews rest on it as a ground of their obstinacy, and wantonly rave against Christ as a covenant-breaker, because He abrogated the Sabbath.... Whatever was spoken of under the Law as eternal, I maintain to have had reference to the new state of things which came to pass at the coming of Christ; and thus the eternity of the Law must not be extended beyond the fulness of time, when the truth of its shadows was manifested, and God’s covenant assumed a different form. If the Jews cry out that what is perpetual, and what is temporary, are contraries to each other, we must deny it in various respects, since assuredly what was peculiar to the Law could not continue to exist beyond the day of Jesus Christ.

33 posted on 09/29/2006 8:33:02 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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