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To: kerryusama04
If you are a believer in Christ, isn't it logical that you would want to follow the Commandments of God?

Yes, and today the commandments of God are found in the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments. So when we read about the fact that the church -- baptized Jews and gentiles -- in Acts met on the first day of the week to worship by hearing the apostles teach about Jesus and to break bread (observe the Lord's Supper) and we read nothing about the church -- baptized Jews and gentiles -- meeting on the last day of the week for worship, it tells us something very important about the commandments of God.

The Didache, huh. I thought you were Sola Scriptura.

I am, but I'm not a solo Scriptura person. I respect the testimony of the church through the centuries when it is agreement with the word of God. I have found no ggod reason to challenge the view regarding first day worship. It agrees with all the Bible. That is what I confess.

That appears to be the difference between those who are part of the true catholic (little "c") church, and those who are part of cults, like the one formed by Ellen White and other castoffs from the Millerite movement.

193 posted on 10/14/2006 7:10:24 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; kerryusama04; Diego1618; Buggman
Yes, and today the commandments of God are found in the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments. So when we read about the fact that the church -- baptized Jews and gentiles -- in Acts met on the first day of the week to worship by hearing the apostles teach about Jesus and to break bread (observe the Lord's Supper)

Actually your interpretation here isn't correct. Here's why:

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

For starters, it doesn't say they were there for the "Lord's Supper". It says they came together to "break bread", a common term for eating. If the author of Acts wanted to say "Lord's Supper", he would of. But he didn't. So your supposition that it's the "Lord's Supper" is unwarranted.

Second, they met on Saturday night, after the sabbath had ended at sundown:

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

We know it's Saturday night because it's after the sabbath ended at sundown. The literal translation of "first day of the week is "first of the sabbaths". Now this alone shows that the author, Luke, a gentile Christian, still considered the sabbath binding because he is marking time by it. In fact, the "Good News" bible translates the passage as:

Act 20:7 On Saturday evening we gathered together for the fellowship meal. Paul spoke to the people and kept on speaking until midnight, since he was going to leave the next day.

Not a Sunday service at all, but a fellowhip meal. There are countless sabbatarians today, myself included, who meet with the brethren every week after sabbath services for fellowship meals. As a matter of fact, I had one tonight with about 16 members of my church, disciples of Christ. We talked, reasoned together about God, Christ, the scriptures and a variety of other topics for 3 1/2 hours. We literally broke bread, hard dinner rolls. By your reasoning, this would have been an example of Sunday worship by a group of sabbatarians. Nope.

Third:

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The word translated "preach" in the King James is rendered in other translations variously as "reasoned", "talked", "discoursed", "discussion", and "addressed". Now if you want to make the case that it means "preached" as how a Christian minister preaches, then you have to accept the fact that this very same greek word is used in the following verses:

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with(preached to) them out of the Scriptures,

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in(preached in) the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

So Paul, according to the greek, did the same exact thing on the sabbath MUCH more often then he did on Saturday night.

and we read nothing about the church -- baptized Jews and gentiles -- meeting on the last day of the week for worship, it tells us something very important about the commandments of God.

Absolute nonsense. Example after example has been cited from scripture of sabbath observance and worship of God on the sabbath by Christians.

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

When does Paul preach? Why, we've already seen that it was his custom to preach ON THE SABBATH.

Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

The whole city comes to hear the word of God preached on the day that God commanded his followers to gather on...the sabbath.

We've been over this before. You're whole argument is built on the shifting sand of denial and suppositions. The entire argument of sabbatarians is based on the commadments of God, the creator of the universe. We win.

194 posted on 10/14/2006 11:22:53 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: topcat54
I am, but I'm not a solo Scriptura person.

Solo Scriptura is nothing but poor grammar. Latin words have gender. a=feminine o=masculine.

I respect the testimony of the church through the centuries when it is agreement with the word of God. I have found no ggod reason to challenge the view regarding first day worship. It agrees with all the Bible. That is what I confess.

TC, if I post any more scriptures that plainly refute switching God's Sabbath to Rome's, I risk infringing on copywrites. The fact is, you keep moving the bar. When I post this:

Act 13:42 As Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next Sabbath. Act 13:43 Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God. Act 13:44 The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord.

You say "well, they weren't Baptized". But you post this at other points:

Act 10:14 But Peter said, "By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean." Act 10:15 Again a voice came to him a second time, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."

Which you know full well ends up with Gentile believers receiving the Holy Spirit before they were Baptized!

Act 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" Act 10:48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

Then you say that, "well, Sunday has been the "Christian" Sabbath for 2000 years." Well, we are coming up on the 1900th aniversary of the first time Sunday worship was documented, but just because someting is old, doesn't make it right:

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

At any rate, if you are going to use the longevity of the error to justify the error, why are you Protestant? The logical conclusion of that line of thinking ought to lead you to marionism, transubstantiation, infant Baptism, the Sacramnent of Confession, et. al. Are you prepared to admit your error and convert to the One Holy, Catholic, Apostolic, and adjective generating Church?

That appears to be the difference between those who are part of the true catholic (little "c") church, and those who are part of cults, like the one formed by Ellen White and other castoffs from the Millerite movement.

It warms my heart to see such an attack, TC. There is a HUGE difference between Ellen White and John Calvin. That difference is body count. I can't believe that you guys, in all seriousness, take the theology of Grace Alone from a man who actually murdered people who disagreed with him. How exactly was that "trading up" from Rome?

195 posted on 10/15/2006 6:57:18 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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