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Whitefield's Letter to Wesley
Solo Deo Gloria ^ | Dec. 24, 1740 | Whitefield

Posted on 09/27/2006 12:19:34 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Revelation 911
is it white or black - about 9-10 high ? - about $100

It's white & black. Sits on a base that has a flowery design with a gold colored border. The height is approximately 10 inches.

21 posted on 09/27/2006 6:39:12 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Richard from IL; Dr. Eckleburg
"It a take off on Wesley's comment about his heart being strangely warmed when listening to a reading of Luther's introduction to Galations."

No, it really was taken from an obscure writing by a little known author who wrote an unheard of poem not well received by an insignificant but loyal therapy group.

22 posted on 09/27/2006 6:39:37 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: AlbionGirl

He is in hell. He is bereft of the Holy Spirit so how can there be any good, noble, virtuous, humane or lofty sentiments? He has been left to the devices of his own god, himself, and his personality and nature are freed from the constricts of the "restrainer" or societal norms. He cares for nothing and nobody but himself. It is "all we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way" raised to the highest level.


23 posted on 09/27/2006 6:52:15 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: AlbionGirl

That is a charming story. Thanks for telling it.


24 posted on 09/27/2006 7:19:21 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge

'welcome. :)


25 posted on 09/27/2006 7:25:01 PM PDT by AlbionGirl (Salvation is free, ... but discipleship will cost you your life.-- Dietrich Bonhoeffer)
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To: Revelation 911
not too surprised there would be no breadth of knowledge concerning things methodism

Thanks, Rev. I'm sure you meant that in a charitable way.

26 posted on 09/27/2006 7:50:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: blue-duncan; AlbionGirl
He is in hell. He is bereft of the Holy Spirit so how can there be any good, noble, virtuous, humane or lofty sentiments?

I have to agree with b-d on this one, AG.

Not very Wesleyan, but most likely true.

27 posted on 09/27/2006 7:54:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; AlbionGirl

"I have to agree with b-d on this one, AG."

Oh nuts, hold everything AG, where did I go wrong. I'll have to take a second look at what I wrote.


28 posted on 09/27/2006 8:03:02 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; AlbionGirl
where did I go wrong?

I think it was right around the line about the cool heart...

29 posted on 09/27/2006 8:06:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: blue-duncan

And for the record, would you agree more with Wesley or Whitefield regarding this letter?


30 posted on 09/27/2006 8:07:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: BluH2o

havent seen that one - I have the white china one - found it on ebay


31 posted on 09/27/2006 8:08:58 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thanks, Rev. I'm sure you meant that in a charitable way.

.......

32 posted on 09/27/2006 8:21:54 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

"George Whitefield was a renowned preacher, considered to be much more eloquent that John Wesley. He persuaded John Wesley to preach in the fields.

George Whitefield and John Wesley did not see eye-to-eye on a theology of grace however. In 1740 Wesley published "Free Grace," saying that God’s grace was extended to all. Wesley rejected the concept of divine election. Whitefield was a Calvinist. He once wrote, "God, himself, I find, teaches my friends the doctrine of election. If I mistake not, my dear and honored Mr. Wesley will hereafter be convinced of it also."

The two men were never to agree on divine election. Whitefield thought Wesley's was preaching universal redemption whereas Wesley thought Whitefield's preaching implied Christians need not take moral responsibility. They parted ways but managed, in the end, to maintain a respect for each other in that their hearts were the same in terms of unity in Jesus Christ.

After Whitefield's death, John Wesley preached a memorial sermon. Wesley said: "Let my last end be like his!" How many of you join in this wish? Perhaps there are few of you who do not, even in this numerous congregation! And O that this wish may rest upon your minds! -- that it may not die away till your souls also are lodged "where the wicked cease from troubling, and where the weary are at rest!"

I just pray for the grace both men had, like Paul,

Phil. 1:14, "And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice."

I THIRST, THOU WOUNDED LAMB OF GOD

“The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8

I thirst, Thou wounded Lamb of God,
To wash me in Thy cleansing blood,
To dwell within Thy wounds; then pain
Is sweet, and life or death is gain.

Take this poor heart, and let it be
For ever closed to all but Thee!
Seal Thou my breast, and let me wear
That pledge of love for ever there.

How blest are they who still abide,
Close sheltered in Thy bleeding side;
Who life and strength from thence derive,
And by Thee move, and in Thee live.

What are our works, but sin and death,
Till Thou Thy quickening Spirit breathe?
Thou giv’st the power Thy grace to move;
O wondrous grace! O boundless love!

How can it be, Thou heavenly King,
That Thou shouldst us to glory bring;
Make slaves the partners of Thy throne,
Decked with a never-failing crown?

Hence our hearts melt, our eyes o’erflow,
Our words are lost; nor will we know,
Nor will we think of aught beside,
My Lord, my Love, is crucified!

Ah! Lord, enlarge our scanty thought,
To know the wonders Thou hast wrought;
Unloose our stammering tongues to tell
Thy love immense, unsearchable.

First-born of many brethren, Thou!
To Thee, lo! all our souls we bow,
To Thee our hearts and hands we give,
Thine may we die, Thine may we live!


33 posted on 09/27/2006 8:24:23 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: BluH2o
Whitefield aside ... I have a porcelain bust of John Wesley that's been in our family for generations. It probably dates back to the early 1800's ... whadaya think it might be worth? ;)

Probably as much as my Calvin Bobblehead!

34 posted on 09/28/2006 1:25:58 AM PDT by Gamecock (The GRPL: Because life is too short for bad Theology*)
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To: blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg

I thirst, Thy Wounded Lamb of God, is beautiful.


35 posted on 09/28/2006 5:55:54 AM PDT by AlbionGirl (Salvation is free, ... but discipleship will cost you your life.-- Dietrich Bonhoeffer)
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To: blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg
Just want to toss one more thing in regarding this subject, then I'll give you guys the last word.

The rich man, as a reprobate, was bound for hell while alive, and in that sense he was always part of hell. Still, the Westminster Confession allows that reprobates can do good things, and to extrapolate, have lofty feelings, but that because they are unregenerate, all good things they might do, any lofty sensibilities they might have are for naught because a reprobate is just that, and, as you put it, bereft of the Holy Spirit. So, I don't see how being in hell changes the dynamic I just described. If I gave the impression that I thought the rich man's sentiments had worth or were meritorious in any way, then I may have been wrong in that way. And, while they may be extrinsically lofty, but intrinsically worthless, whenever I envision hell, I never envision such sentiment as even being possible there, and I think that's why I made the initial comment.

36 posted on 09/28/2006 6:13:37 AM PDT by AlbionGirl (Salvation is free, ... but discipleship will cost you your life.-- Dietrich Bonhoeffer)
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To: Gamecock

What, no picture of the bobblehead?

We were thinking along the same lines. I thought he could make a bobblehead out of it and you two could have dueling bobbleheads. :)


37 posted on 09/28/2006 6:26:55 PM PDT by lupie
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