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To: annalex; topcat54
God wishes salvation of all men

This has been the call of some for just about 2000 years by millions of people. Sorry, it's not true. If it was true God would save all men. But I suppose if you keep saying it loud and long enough others will continue to believe this lie.

Because if you read St. Augustine talking about "call" you are likely to understand it in terms of a Protestant altar call, -- which is properly not the Divine call itself but a man's response to it. At any rate I find St. Irenaeus dispositive when he says, with great clarity,

It was Augustine who made me a Calvinist.
35 posted on 09/29/2006 1:00:19 PM PDT by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: HarleyD
Sorry, it's not true

Your argument is with the scripture, not me. "Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature", Mark 16:15, and similar in every gospel.

"Faith, then, as well in its beginning as in its completion, is God's gift; and let no one have any doubt whatever, unless he desires to resist the plainest sacred writings, that this gift is given to some, while to some it is not given."

The call is to all. Faith is a response that different people have differently. Faith can be increased (Luke 17:5) or destroyed (1 Timothy 1:19).

36 posted on 09/29/2006 1:25:42 PM PDT by annalex
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