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To: LisaFab
Did you not read the words "Christ and of his Church?" Just "hearing" about the Church and its doctrine would not be sufficient to meet the conditions laid out above. Without the Sacraments, you would have no way of knowing the truths of the Church (capital "C").

Ah, so then I'm not saved unless I become a Catholic. Or, to not be saved I must become a Catholic and become possessed of the sacraments then fall away. The doctrine is confusing.

Let's be clear. I am not a Catholic. I accept Christ as my Lord and Savior. I know much of Catholic doctrine and I reject it as mostly pronouncements of a council of fallible and corruptible men.

Am I saved, by your doctrine? And, If I am not, then what must I do to become saved?

"Christ and His Church" has to do with the body of believers regardless of denomination, and regardless of what the Catholic church thinks.

89 posted on 09/26/2006 9:14:45 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
Please reread what I posted above. To a Catholic it is not confusing at all. This is what I meant when I said that without the benefits of the sacraments it would be impossible to understand.

Here's how one of my parish priests puts it: To attempt and to understand how to "be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect," is impossible for human nature. The sacraments provide the 'supernatural', that is, the gifts of the Holy Spirit, through which understanding becomes possible.

No one is saved by doctrine, and despite your characterization of my faith as "mostly pronouncements of a council of fallible and corruptible men," I wish you well and will pray for your salvation.

94 posted on 09/26/2006 3:23:26 PM PDT by LisaFab
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