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To: nmh
I'm without a church right now myself because I refuse to be part of this. Of course had I stayed I would have just been targeted as a "resister" & pushed out the door. That's the PDL way. But you won't see that on a coffee cup.
8 posted on 09/23/2006 7:32:54 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: Sue Perkick

Is there a Calvary Chapel in your area? Most are solid.


11 posted on 09/23/2006 8:29:22 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Sue Perkick; sauropod
I'm without a church right now myself because I refuse to be part of this.

Welcome to the club.

40 posted on 09/25/2006 3:47:50 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Sue Perkick

Ambitious preachers, especially SBC preachers, have run hog wild to Warren's siren song social gospel of big numbers (people numbers and money numbers). They are ambitious (I think) to have what Warren has, huge numbers hearing them impart their oftentimes weekly Scripture milk feedings and ego trippings. - I had to leave a small SBC church over a year ago because of a great degree of this gung ho purpose drivel. I wasn't physically able to "attend" the pastor's "classes" and his wife's weekly classes to his satisfaction - so he proceeded to repeatedly lambast me from the pulpit about attendance. He somehow managed to mostly ignore the real sinful behavior in his sermons in the crowd amongst the perfect attenders, repeated drunkenness, shacking up couples, habitual liars (excused as "mental illness"). - He taught a class on Islam and I went and then his wife started making noises about yoga, journaling and visualization - and then gave us Warren's purpose driven life book for her next planned class. I finally just had to call it quits. Things just blew up at the end with it almost causing a divorce between me and my husband (who stayed on under that pastor's thumb for several more months after I left). It was sort of nightmarish in a way, at least to me. I was just amazed at how much control this guy had over that church while acting like the congregation had much say about things. He had been there over 15 yrs. and still there; takes about two thirds of the total church budget for his part time salary. I imagine he means well, but it was very harmful to us. Sort of felt a little bit control freakish sickish.


83 posted on 09/25/2006 5:03:12 PM PDT by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
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