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To: kerryusama04
Apparently, only Jesus' return will end all of this confusion, once Babylon is fallen, fallen.

But "Babylon" has fallen.

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. "

"And another angel followed, saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

"Babylon" was ancient Jerusalem that committed spiritual idolatry with the nations and was judged by God in AD70.

"Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath."

Josephus tells us:

WHEN therefore Titus had marched over that desert which lies between Egypt and Syria, in the manner forementioned, he came to Cesarea, having resolved to set his forces in order at that place, before he began the war. Nay, indeed, while he was assisting his father at Alexandria, in settling that government which had been newly conferred upon them by God, it so happened that the sedition at Jerusalem was revived, and parted into three factions, and that one faction fought against the other; which partition in such evil cases may be said to be a good thing, and the effect of Divine justice. Now as to the attack the zealots made upon the people, and which I esteem the beginning of the city's destruction, it hath been already explained after an accurate manner; as also whence it arose, and to how great a mischief it was increased. But for the present sedition, one should not mistake if he called it a sedition begotten by another sedition, and to be like a wild beast grown mad, which, for want of food from abroad, fell now upon eating its own flesh.

And now there were three treacherous factions in the city, the one parted from the other. Eleazar and his party, that kept the sacred first-fruits, came against John in their cups. Those that were with John plundered the populace, and went out with zeal against Simon. This Simon had his supply of provisions from the city, in opposition to the seditious. When, therefore, John was assaulted on both sides, he made his men turn about, throwing his darts upon those citizens that came up against him, from the cloisters he had in his possession, while he opposed those that attacked him from the temple by his engines of war.


170 posted on 09/25/2006 1:07:31 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; kerryusama04; Buggman; 1000 silverlings; DAVEY CROCKETT; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; ...
"And another angel followed, saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

"Babylon" was ancient Jerusalem that committed spiritual idolatry with the nations and was judged by God in AD70."

Where do you get this? One of the great results of the second exile was that Israel did not return to idolatry. In fact, even with all of the allure of Grecian culture and Roman power Israel did not succumb to their gods.

Where did Israel cause "nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication"? Israel was just a small pawn used by Rome and Egypt as a buffer. It had no influence or power beyond its own borders and its religion was a source of disdain since it was monotheistic and held by what was seen as a defeated country. The only major party that was friendly with Rome was the aristocratic Sadducees. The Pharisees and the Zealots were both against anything Roman or Greek.

There is no factual evidence in Israel's history to show that this prophecy in Revelation has been fulfilled. It takes gross spiritualizing to the point of fiction to read "spiritual idolatry" into what happened in 70 A.D.
184 posted on 09/25/2006 6:24:13 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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