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Rosh Hashanah and the Second Coming
The B'rit Chadasha Pages | 9/20/06 | Michael D. Bugg

Posted on 09/20/2006 10:14:32 AM PDT by Buggman

As many of you already know, we are entering into the fall High Holy Days, comprised of the Feasts of Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles. Just as the spring Feastdays celebrate the First Coming of Messiah Yeshua, and Shavuot (Pentecost) celebrates the giving of the Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit) to the Ekklesia in between the visitations of Yeshua, the Fall Feastdays look forward to His Second Coming—and in particular, the Feast of Trumpets looks forward to His Glorious Appearance in the clouds of heaven!

The day which this year falls on September 23 (beginning at sundown the previous night) is known by many names, but is little understood. The most commonly used today is Rosh Hashanah, the Head of the Year or New Year, and is regarded as the start of the Jewish civil calendar. (The religious calendar begins on the first of Nisan, fourteen days before Passover, in accordance with Exo. 12:2.) For this reasons, Jews will greet each other with the phrase, “L’shana tova u-metukah,” “May you have a good and sweet new year” or simply “Shanah tova,” “A good year.” In anticipation of this sweet new year, it is customary to eat a sweet fruit, like an apple or carrot dipped in honey.

The Talmud records the belief that “In the month of Tishri, the world was created” (Rosh Hashanah 10b), and its probably due to this belief that it became known as the Jewish New Year. The belief that the world was created on Rosh Hashanah came out of an anagram: The letters of the first word in the Bible, “In the beginning . . .” (B’resheit) can be rearranged to say, “1 Tishri” (Aleph b’Tishri). Perhaps because so little is directly said in Scripture about this day—unlike all of the other Feastdays, there is no historical precedent given to explain why Rosh Hashanah should be celebrated—the rabbis also speculated that Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Samuel were all born on this day.

However, that’s not it’s Biblical name, which is Yom Teruah, the Day of the [Trumpet] Blast:

And YHVH spake unto Moses, saying, “Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, ‘In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing (Heb. zikrown teruah) [of trumpets], an holy convocation. Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto YHVH.’” (Lev. 23:23-25)

And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing (teruah) [the trumpets] unto you. (Num. 29:1)

In each of these passages, I’ve placed “trumpets” in brackets because it’s not actually in the Hebrew text; however, teruah can and usually does mean to sound the trumpet (though it can mean to shout with a voice as well) and the use of a trumpet on this day is considered so axiomatic that there is literally no debate in Jewish tradition on the matter. Specifically, the trumpet used is the shofar. The shofar is traditionally always made from the horn of a ram, in honor of the ram that God substituted for Isaac, and never from a bull’s horn, in memory of the sin of the golden calf.

The shofar first appears in Scripture as heralding the visible appearance of God coming down on Mt. Sinai to meet with His people (Ex. 19:16-19). It is also linked with His Coming in Zec. 9:14 and with Him going up (making aliyah) to Jerusalem in Psa. 47:5. Small wonder then that Yeshua said He would Come again with the sound of a trumpet, a shofar, in Mat. 24:31, which is echoed by Sha’ul (Paul) in 1 Th. 4:16 and 1 Co. 15:52. Indeed, many commentators have recognized that by “the last trump,” Sha’ul was referring to the final shofar blast, called the Tekia HaGadol, of the Feast of Trumpets.

This visitation by YHVH is closely associated with the second of this Feastdays names: Yom Zikkroun, the Day of Remembrance. This is not primarily meant to be a day when the people remember God, but when God remembers His people—not that He has forgotten them, but in which He fulfills His promises to them by Coming to them. In Isa. 27:13, it is the instrument used to call God’s people Israel back to the Land. In Psalm 27, which is traditionally read in the month leading up to Yom Teruah, we see the Psalmist looking forward to God rescuing him from his enemies:

Though an host should encamp against me,
My heart shall not fear:
Though war should rise against me,
In this will I be confident . . .

For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavilion:
In the secret of His tabernacle shall He hide me;
He shall set me up upon a rock. . .

Among the rabbis, the shofar is often associated with the Coming of the Messiah and the Resurrection of the Dead as well. “According to the Alphabet Midrash of Rabbi Akiva, seven shofars announce successive steps of the resurrection process, with Zechariah 9:14 quoted as a proof text: ‘And Adonai the Lord will blow the shofar’” (Stern, David H., Jewish New Testament Commentary, 489f). “And it is the shofar that the Holy One, blessed be He, is destined to blow when the Son of David, our righteous one, will reveal himself, as it is said, ‘And the Lord GOD will blow the shofar’” (Tanna debe Eliyahu Zutta XXII). It’s interesting that the rabbis, without the benefit of the New Covenant writings, have come to the same conclusions as the Apostles: That YHVH would visit His people in the person of the Messiah and raise the dead on Yom Teruah (also in the Bablyonian Talmud, Rosh Hashanah 16b). On Yom Teruah, the shofar not only rouses the people from their complacency, but the very dead from their graves. (See Job 19:25-27, Isa. 26:19, and Dan. 12:2 for the Tanakh’s primary passages on the Resurrection.)

The shofar is an instrument that is very much associated with war (Jdg. 3:27, 2 Sa. 20:1, Neh. 4:18-22, Ezk. 33:3-6). It was used to destroy the walls of Jericho (Jdg. 6:20). In Joel 2:1, it sounds the start of the Day of the Lord, the time in which God will make war on His enemies: “Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the Day of YHVH cometh, for it is nigh at hand” (cf. v. 15). This again matches perfectly with the NT, where Sha’ul describes the Lord’s coming with a trumpet immediately preceding the Day of the Lord (1 Th. 4:16, 5:2).

This brings us to the next name for this Feastday, Yom HaDin, Judgment Day. Not only did the shofar sound the call for war, but also the coronation of kings (2 Sa. 15:10; 1 Ki. 1:34, 29; 2 Ki. 9:13, 11:12-14). Therefore, the rabbis have always associated this day with God’s sovereign Kingship over all mankind: “On Rosh Hashanah all human beings pass before Him as troops, as it is said, ‘The LORD looketh from heaven; He beholdeth all the sons of men. From the place of His habitation He looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth. He fashioneth their hearts alike; He considereth all their works’” (Rosh Hashanah 6b, quoting Psa. 53:13-15). To remember God’s Kingship, it is traditional to eat round objects to remind us of God’s crown (oriental crowns being shaped as skullcaps instead of circlets). For example, challah is made to be round instead of braided as it normally is.

Because this day is associated with God’s judgment, it is also considered a time of repentance (t’shuva) in preparation for Yom Kippur. The Casting (Tashlikh) Ceremony, in which observant Jews gather together at the shores of oceans, lakes, and rivers and cast in stones and/or crumbs of bread to symbolize “casting off” their sins, is performed on this day to a prayer comprised of Mic. 7:18-20, Psa. 118:5-9, Psa. 33 and 130, and often finishing with Isa. 11:9.

He will turn again,
He will have compassion upon us;
He will subdue our iniquities;
And Thou wilt cast all their sins
Into the depths of the sea.
(Mic. 7:19)
The Talmud (ibid.) goes on to say that on this day, all mankind is divided into three types of people. The wholly righteous were immediately written in the Book of Life (Exo. 32:33, Psa. 69:28) for another year. The wholly wicked were blotted out of the Book of Life, condemned to die in the coming year. Those in between, if they truly repented before the end of Yom Kippur, could likewise be scribed in the Book of Life for another year. For this reason, a common greeting at this time is “L’shana tova tikatevu,” which means, “May you be inscribed [in the Book of Life] for a good new year.”

The Bible, of course, is clear that one is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life (cf. Php. 4:3; Rev. 3:5, 13:8, 17:8, and 21:27) not by one’s own righteousness, but by receiving the Messiah’s righteousness by faith, trusting in Him, and that there is no in-between; one either trusts God or one doesn’t. Nevertheless, a great eschatological truth is preserved for us in this rabbinical tradition. At the time of Yeshua’s Second Coming, all mankind will be divided into three groups. Those who have already trusted in the Messiah will be Resurrected and Raptured to be with Him immediately upon His Coming on the clouds of the sky. Those who have taken the mark of the Beast and have chosen to remain with the Wicked One will be slated to die in the Day of the Lord, which for reasons that are beyond the scope of this essay to address, I believe will last for about a year.

However, there will also be a third group, who neither had believed in the Messiah until they saw Him Coming on the clouds but who also had not taken the mark of the Beast. Many of these will be Jews, who will mourn at His coming and so have a fount of forgiveness opened to them (Rev. 1:7, Zec. 12:10-13:2)—most prominently, the 144,000 of Rev. 7 and 14. Others will be Gentiles who will be shown mercy because they showed mercy to the children of God (Mat. 25:31ff). These are given the opportunity to repent during the period between the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonment, called the Days of Awe—a reference, I believe, to the Day of the Lord.

Finally, this day is known as Yom HaKeseh, the Hidden Day. It was a day that could not be calculated, only looked for. Ancient Israel kept its calendar simply by observing the phases of the moon. If a day were overcast, it might cause a delay in the observance of the beginning of the month, the new moon (Rosh Chodesh), the first tiny crescent of light. Every other Feast was at least a few days after the beginning of the month so that it could be calculated and prepared for in advance. For example, after the new moon that marked the beginning of the month of Nisan, the observant Jew knew that he had fourteen days to prepare for the Passover.

Not so Yom HaKeseh. In the absence of reliable astronomical charts and calculations (which were made only centuries after God commanded the Feasts to be observed), the Feast of Trumpets could be anticipated, estimated to be arriving soon, but until two or more witnesses reported the first breaking of the moon’s light after the darkest time of the month, no one knew “the day or hour.” Therefore, it was a tradition not to sleep on Rosh Hashanah, but to remain awake and alert, a tradition alluded to by Sha’ul: “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober” (1 Th. 5:4-6).

Because of the difficulty of alerting the Jews in the Diaspora when the Sanhedron had decreed the start of the Feast to be, it became traditional to celebrate the first and second day of Tishri together as Yoma Arikhta, “One Long Day.” Is this meant to remind us, perhaps, of when another Y’hoshua (Yeshua) won against his enemies because God cast down great hailstones (like the hailstones of Rev. 16:21) and called upon the Sun to stand still so that they would not escape (Jos. 10:10ff)?

Yom Teruah is a day which ultimately calls all of God’s people together in repentance in anticipation of the glorious Second Coming, in which He will once again visit His people in the Person of the Messiah Yeshua to Resurrect the dead, awaken the living, and judge all mankind together.

Shalom, and Maranatha!


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To: topcat54; Diego1618; kerryusama04; Buggman; whipitgood; XeniaSt
Ask yourself this question: Why would the Apostle, after stipulating in Colossians 2:8, "beware of deceptive philosophy based on human tradition"......why would he bother explaining the Holy Festivals, New Moon Celebrations and Sabbath Days to these previously pagan citizens of Colosse? These observances were not man made?
Jesus used the same phrase "traditions of men" to refer to the teaching of the Pharisees that contradicted the Scriptures (cf. Mark 7:8). It seems likely that Paul was warning them of the deceptive practices of the judaizers who were enticing gentile Christians to observe the old covenant ceremonial laws ala Galatia.

No, he used the phrase "traditions of men" to describe the traditions of the Pharisees that were not scriptural. In Colossians 2, the practices being discussed are:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

"Philsophy", "tradition of men", "rudimentsof the world".

Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

"Commandments doctrines of men".

None of these phrases can possibly appply to anything that God commanded in scripture in the old or new testament. To think that Paul is referring to holy days, commanded by God in scripture, shows that you must believe Paul is a liar or an idiot...either that or you're not reading it right.

301 posted on 09/26/2006 7:23:59 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: editor-surveyor
Could you be just assuming that they are Armstrong-ites?

Actually not. I was just being lazy by not qualifying my comment.

Surely you realize that all first century Christians celebrated the "appointed times?" Those times pre-dated the giving of the Mosaic Law.

Not all first century Christians but most. Yes I do understand that the "appointed times" are ancient in their origin.

302 posted on 09/26/2006 7:29:21 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Buggman
One man's logic is another man's conundrum

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

303 posted on 09/26/2006 7:30:06 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (why is it so difficult to understand?)
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To: Buggman
Good job.

Please add me to your ping list.

304 posted on 09/26/2006 7:39:26 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

The only conundrum here is that you don't like the logical answer. As you said, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.


305 posted on 09/26/2006 7:42:55 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: Carry_Okie

Will do.


306 posted on 09/26/2006 7:43:36 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: topcat54; Diego1618; Buggman; kerryusama04; XeniaSt; whipitgood
Are you looking for instruction? If you don't know how to celebrate the days that God ordained then I suggest that you do some research on how various Christians observe them.
If I wanted a rabbi I would ask a rabbi. If I were interested in mere human tradition I have lots to choose from.

Where did you ever get the idea that these are merely "human traditions":

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying, Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

On the one hand you are saying that the law regarding feasts has not changed

I'm not saying that at all. Scripture confirms it. The only reason you think differently is that you are being influenced by human tradition and are too proud to admit that human tradition has led you into error.

and all Christians regardless of their racial background are obligated to observe these feasts,

I have no idea what that means. All Christians should worship the God of Israel. He invented Christianity. Race has nothing to do with anything:

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

while on the other hand you are ignoring the details of the law and just placing emphasis in the mere timing of the feasts.

For the umpteenth time, the first century church, as expressed in the book of Hebrews, the same church that every Christian claims to be derived from, spells out exactly what changed in the law between the old covenant and the new covenant. If you wish to ignore the early church that's your problem.

Let's face it that the modern day judaizers are in worse shape than their 1st century cousins since at least those folks had a temple to point the gentiles to in order to place them under the ceremonial law.

So basically you're ignoring the post you're responding to in order to call people "Judaizers" when they actually advocate honoring God by observing days that he commanded us to observe BEFORE there were any Jews? Does that make sense?

Modern judaizers have no such instructions, but are making things up on the fly,

Again, I ask you, what is anyone "making up" when they observe what God has commanded?

307 posted on 09/26/2006 7:43:47 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Buggman
Very nicely and succinctly put, Doug. You cut to the heart of the matter while I was dickering on details. My hat's off to you.

I don't feel right accepting a compliment when basically all I did was quote scripture... :-) But thanks anyways.

308 posted on 09/26/2006 7:48:32 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54
I do like the right, factual answer though and in scripture that is found in the precise chapter and verse. I do think it's odd that you would pretend for instance, to support your rather skewed viewpoint, ie that Paul urged Christians "to celebrate Passover" when in fact he was talking about something else all together in 1 Corinthians 5:8. The facts there are not what you wanted to get by us.
309 posted on 09/26/2006 8:01:21 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (why is it so difficult to understand?)
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To: Buggman
After all, didn't Sha'ul willingly take a Nazrite oath at Ya'akov's suggestion to prove that he himself still kept the Torah (Acts 21)?

Yes, along with another reminder of these necessary things:

Acts 21
25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

I would guess that James knew that circumcision was never required of the gentiles and that the Noachide Covenant was for perpetual generations and everlasting.

We also see in Galatians, which was apparently written before the Jerusalem Council of Acts 15 (since Sha'ul does not reference the Council in his defense of the Gentiles)

I think he does.

Galatians 2:6,9
6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.

The problem with this is that he doesn't mention the other 'necessary things'. Balancing the ceremonial and moral laws.

Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 - And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

The word "iniquity" comes from the Greek word "anomia". Thayer's Greek lexicon defines it this way:

iniquity greek 458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from 459; TDNT - 4:1085,646; n f AV - iniquity 12, unrighteousness 1, transgress the law + 4060 1, transgression of the law 1; 15
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

And Strong's Lexicon defines it: "illegality (i.e. violation of the law)"

Basically, Jesus predicted, that because of false prophets, illegality or violation of the law and a condition of without law will abound. Looks like he was right on target.

These are the various types of people we are dealing with in the first century.


From the Greek: 4339 proselutos pros-ay'-loo-tos from the alternate of 4334; an arriver from a foreign region, i.e. (specially), an acceder (convert) to Judaism ("proselyte"):--proselyte.

1) a newcomer
a) a stranger, alien
2) a proselyte
a) one who has come over from a Gentile religion to Judaism
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The Rabbis distinguished two classes of proselytes, proselytes of righteousness, who received circumcision and bound themselves to keep the whole of the Mosaic law and to comply with all the requirements of Judaism, and proselytes of the gate, who dwelt among the Jews, and although uncircumcised observed certain specific laws, esp. the seven precepts of Noah, i.e. against the seven chief sins, idolatry, blasphemy against God, homicide, unchastity, theft or plundering, rebellion against rulers and the use of "flesh with the blood thereof".

I think its entirely possible that the followers of Jesus were a sect within Judaism, and never intended for there to be a 'new religion' called Christianity, based on the teachings of a Jew, yet removing his Judaic beliefs, customs, religious faith and upbringing, and basically stripping him of all his Jewishness. How does one base a religion on a Jewish Rabbi and yet ignore how this Rabbi lived and what he represented??

Gentile Godfearers who wanted to become full-fledged believers in God through the ministry of Jesus had ALREADY received Moses' instructions concerning how people are to live, as taught in the Noachide and Sinatic covenants since when Moses [Pentateuch-first 5 books of the Bible] is taught, such teaching encompasses both the Laws of Noah and the Mosaic Covenant.

A lot of these Gentile Godfearers already attended synagogue and or attended the Festivals and Holy Days, like Cornelius. All that was needed for a full conversion from Godfearer to Jew was, being cicumcised. And James had already pointed out that cicumcism wasn't necessary to be grafted into the family. So, the big thing that the Godfearers were lacking in was understanding of the dietary guidelines, and fornication like not having relations with ones sisters, aunts, uncles, neices etc.

They already had certain basics, just not the fundamental guidelines in dietary regulations since they didn't with Jews nor would they know how to properly prepare their food. (kosher)

You can SEE through the way the Jews lived, some of what was expected. But, without dining with them, or watching them prepare their foods, you wouldn't KNOW how to go about preparing kosher meals. They wouldn't have realized that their was a difference. They needed to be told and then instructed on how to do that.

It wasn't about making Jews more comfortable around Gentiles, it was about making Gentiles acceptable of God. It was about being a part of the family and being able to sit together at the 'wedding feast'.

It is wrong to tempt someone to break God's Law. If the Gentile didn't follow the dietery guidelines, and a Jew were over for dinner, it would be tempting for the Jew to break his dietary guideline. Better for all to be following the same dietary rules that the Jews use, since Gentiles are grafted to the Jews and not the other way around.

Note that at no point is the question even raised about Jewish believers keeping the Torah: It was assumed as a given that they should. The question was how to handle the influx of Gentile converts.

Right. You used the family analogy earlier. So, lets say a devout Torah observant Jewish family ADOPTS a gentile child. Will they welcome this child into their home and treat this child differently than the rest of the family? Or will they raise this adopted child as part of the family, expecting the child to adhere to the same rules as the other children and members of the family?

As I pointed out above, it is wrong to tempt someone to sin or break Torah. Since the Torah observant Jews, that you agree would be expected to continue in their adherence of Torah laws, would still be required to follow kosher meals, that means thet they would have to know how that meal was prepared, the pots and pans, the cooking utensiles, the storage of the food and the cupboards. That means if a gentile didn't prepare the food in the correct manner, the Jew wouldn't be able to eat it. The Jew couldn't be certain that it was kosher. The same for celebrating the feasts together. The Jew would never be able to enjoy table fellowship at the home of the Gentile, unless the Gentile were following the dietary guidelines.

Some propose that these items were meant to be the only requirements on Gentile Christians forever, but if so, by what right did Sha'ul tell the brethren to stay away from theft and contentiousness or to honor their parents and send monetary support to Jerusalem? Why did Ya'akov command support of the poor and not favoring the rich? None of these items were on the list!

Different types of laws. Just as Yehoshua taught.

Mat 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

He placed 'moral' law above 'ceremonial' law.  This is why some 'thought' that he 'broke' the law.  You have to remember that Jesus taught in a period of transition, during the development of different schools of interpretation in Judaism. It is inevitable that there would be variant interpretations of the Law as recorded in the Gospels. With the Pharisees, Jesus accepts the Law of the Sabbath; he differs only in the interpretations of that law as found in the Oral Law. The Oral Law detailed the many conditions that allowed for the breaking of the Sabbath.

For example, the Rabbis of the Hillel School of Pharisaism declared that is was permissible to violate the Sabbath to preserve life, that in doing so you violate a Sabbath to ensure the observance of future Sabbaths. This was accepted interpretation by the Hillel Pharisees of which Jesus belonged, but not to the Shammai Pharisees or the Sadducees who were ultra-strict, always adhering to the 'letter of the Law' over the 'spirit of the Law' (Oral Law). It has been said that in elevating the spirit of the Law over the letter of the Law one can understand the minimizing of the ceremonial laws. But it is not that simple according to Jesus. As gentiles, we are not aware that the Oral Law brought a proper understanding to the Written Law if matters were in doubt.

These (least commandments) you ought to have done, without neglecting the others (grave-weightier commandments). In drawing such a contrast, Jesus does not annul the Written Law (613 laws), nor even the ceremonial laws; he only brings priority to the obedience of all the Laws.   Jesus did not stand against the Written Law or Oral Law, nor even Pharisaism, but only against the elevation of the 'letter of the Law' above the 'spirit of the Law'.

Rev 2:19
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last [to be] more than the first.

Notice that works is mentioned twice.  The 'moral laws' and 'ceremonial laws'.

Lastly, Sha'ul and Ya'akov weren't in disagreement at all; they just emphasized the same points differently. Where Ya'akov said, "Faith without works is dead" (Jas. 2:26), Sha'ul goes on from pointing out that salvation is by faith and not works to adding, "For we are his workmanship, created in Messiah Yeshua unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:8-10).

Another good one to remember.

Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

310 posted on 09/26/2006 8:08:49 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) (John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a MAN that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God:)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54

And the answers and specific quotes and citations are here on the thread. Again, you are invited to actually read it; why should I repeat myself just because you arrived late to the party?


311 posted on 09/26/2006 8:23:15 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

A very good, long, well-written reply. I apologize that I won't have time to write a response right away; I'll try to do so early tomorrow.


312 posted on 09/26/2006 8:24:53 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: Buggman; Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54

Because it's important that you do not lead people either accidentally, or purposely, astray. I would think that you might care about that.


313 posted on 09/26/2006 8:30:14 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (why is it so difficult to understand?)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54
I do care. That's why I wrote all the answers to everyone on this thread. A pity you don't care enough to actually go back and read them. Having stated and defended my positions, why should I bother to rewrite it all just for the benefit of one lazy Freeper?

Go read the thread or go away; I'm not wasting any more time on you.

314 posted on 09/26/2006 8:49:22 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Buggman; DouglasKC; kerryusama04
I do think it's odd that you would pretend for instance, to support your rather skewed viewpoint, ie that Paul urged Christians "to celebrate Passover" when in fact he was talking about something else all together in 1 Corinthians 5:8.

Polycrates of Ephesus who lived in the second century was the Bishop of Ephesus....as had been seven other members of his family. He speaks of the celebration of Passover on the fourteenth of Nisan/Abib as the proper time of this Festive celebration ordained by the Lord in Leviticus 23.

He was acquainted with Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna and disciple of the Apostle John, who also both kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the first month as well. In addition to these folks he made mention of the Apostle Phillip and his daughters keeping the feast of Passover too.

Don't you think it odd that these Apostles and other early Christians would be celebrating Passover (on the Fourteenth) well in to the second century.....if the Apostle Paul, as you have indicated, did not actually recommend this and had something else in mind......?????

The Catholic Church finally put it's foot down and said NO MORE PASSOVER. They did this in the fourth century at the Council of Antioch (341 A.D.) as many Christians were still celebrating the Passover as had all the Apostles, including Paul. They did this in their attempt to remove all "Jewishness" from the Church.....much as you are doing.

315 posted on 09/26/2006 8:57:52 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Buggman

This is just getting bizarre.


316 posted on 09/26/2006 9:10:44 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe

No kidding. I'm getting a lot of people asking to be on my ping list, though. If I have a ping list, is that grounds for dismissal from the Knights of the Eternal Time Table?


317 posted on 09/26/2006 9:35:44 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: Twinkie
Sorry, didn't mean to skip over you.

I understand what you mean about family traditions. My parents are twice as old as I, and Christmas is completely cemented in their sentiment as a holy time. Intellectually, they agree with me, but they're not yet ready to overturn over sixty years of comfort and joy. I remember how long it took me to adjust, so I show them the same grace and love that they have so often shown me. My Hanukkiah is lit on their mantle every year, just across from the Christmas tree, and they make sure to serve kosher food at the table when I'm with them.

It's wonderful that you've chosen to keep the holidays that our Lord kept. Just make sure to invite lots of friends and family over to make new memories and nostalgia to go with the season--celebrating the Feasts of the Lord alone dims the light somewhat.

Your brother in Yeshua,

318 posted on 09/26/2006 9:44:12 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: Buggman; xzins; blue-duncan
If I have a ping list, is that grounds for dismissal from the Knights of the Eternal Time Table?

No, as long as you don't know who is on it.

I would suggest using a wing ding font to store your ping list. That way you'll never know who is on it and neither will they.

319 posted on 09/26/2006 10:04:49 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: NRA2BFree

bump for later!


320 posted on 09/26/2006 10:07:41 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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