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To: ahayes; .30Carbine; betty boop; Doctor Stochastic; King Prout; cornelis; marron; hosepipe; ...
Fascinating!

I just sent a regular email to my dear sister in Christ, betty boop – using that exact same term, ”parrot”, to characterize the decline in mentality world-wide – and keenly so among evolutionist web-combatants.

It is most evident around here in the responses she and I receive to things we did not say – almost as if, ”since you are not in our cabal, then your thinking is type X and therefore you mean A and so my response is B”.

For anyone who missed the irony: that is group-thinking accusing others of group-thinking. It is self-condemning (Romans 2:1).

On the world scene, I submit as examples the Islamic response to the remarks by Pope Benedict or the Danish cartoons. On the crevo threads here and across the web, the same phenomenon occurs in creationist reactions to evolutionist claims and vice versa, evolutionist reactions to creationist claims.

What ever happened to reason?

I went on to speculate in my email to betty boop that IMHO the likely cause for widespread parroting in the world is the education system. From kindergarten to post-grad, people are taught to parrot – much more so than to think on their own. Talk about "political correctness!"

Speaking of mindless knee-jerk group-parroting, just take a peek at this exchange on Darwin Central.

betty boop and I are called “Blavatsky twins … new age spiritualists who think they are Christian reincarnations of Plato.”

What ever happened to reason? Jeepers, for that matter, what ever happened to reading? Or better still, reading comprehension?

betty boop and I are clearly Christians, neither of us embrace theosophy. Moreover, if anyone would care to actually read what we write, both of us are interested in the great Greek philosophers precisely because of our Christianity not despite it.

Talk about “new age” – parroting is the means of the "in crowds" from Islamic fundamentalism to 911 conspiracy theorists to anti-war mobs to [pick a type] political correctness.

Plato and Aristotle were not only not parrots, they were the exact opposite of “parrots”.

Thank you, Jesus! Maranatha!

Or how about this one from the same link calling us ”lapdog and nameless … they are nearly indistinguishable, they are usually found side-by-side, and each is assuredly a boob.”

For anyone who missed the irony: the only mortals who can actually know what the other guy is thinking are the ones who share the mind of Christ (I Corinthians 2). Of course, only Christians have this kind of knowledge. LOLOL!

If anyone would care to lay aside his talking points and pick up his thinking cap – then, bring it on – and we’ll let the readers judge for themselves if we are boobs (ignorant and foolish) --- who is reasoning and who is parroting --- and which is more valuable.

1,873 posted on 10/01/2006 9:54:26 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

So were you actually responding to my post in some fashion, or were you just doing a search for the first use of the word "parrot" to go off in some sort of diatribe?


1,875 posted on 10/01/2006 10:09:48 AM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; .30Carbine; cornelis
[ Speaking of mindless knee-jerk group-parroting, just take a peek at this exchange on Darwin Central.(link given) ]

Logo.. LoL....
Darwin Central "the Conspiracy that Cares"....
NOW thats funny... The Chemical SoupNazis have their own website..

1,879 posted on 10/01/2006 10:22:25 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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Very well reasoned invitation to dialogue, dear A-G! I could only think of Proverbs 9:7-8 and 16:22 both in response to ahayes here and to js1138 on another thread...and for obvious reasons remain silent.

You are far more advanced in the Way of Wisdom than I; I see you living out Proverbs 16:21, and I praise Jesus, the Word and Spirit in you!

1,882 posted on 10/01/2006 10:32:44 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Alamo-Girl
Or how about this one from the same link calling us ”lapdog and nameless"

lapdog
Nameless

1,884 posted on 10/01/2006 10:36:22 AM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; All
If anyone would care to lay aside his talking points and pick up his thinking cap – then, bring it on – and we’ll let the readers judge for themselves if we are boobs (ignorant and foolish) --- who is reasoning and who is parroting --- and which is more valuable.

Sure is a whole lot of cackling and braying going on over at the Darwin Central barnyard these days!

It is disappointing to see some of the names involved. Oh, well....

As you wrote in your e-mail to me,

And I agree with you that reason itself seems to be under attack. People everywhere seem to want a talking points response to the deep questions – don’t think, parrot. That doesn’t surprise me in the U.S. because students have been conditioned to do precisely that from their earliest years through post-grad....

[The evolutionists] routinely accuse their opponents of lying, plagiarizing and any other slur or smear they can muster. Those are spit-wads. If they had a good rational comeback they would use it – they do when they have one....

I don’t think any of them read your posts – they just have a knee jerk reaction especially to quotes of any kind from “our side” of what they perceive to be war.

[Ooooppppsss! Please forgive me, Alamo-Girl, I'm selectively quoting/quote mining you. I left out all the Plato and Aristotle. Plato especially is held in contempt over at Darwin Central. No reason given, just "politically correct" abuse.]

Anyhoot, thank you for this excellent essay/post. And I'm with you, kiddo:

"If anyone would care to lay aside his talking points and pick up his thinking cap – then, bring it on – and we’ll let the readers judge for themselves if we are boobs (ignorant and foolish) --- who is reasoning and who is parroting --- and which is more valuable."

Seems eminently reasonable to me....
1,890 posted on 10/01/2006 10:55:23 AM PDT by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Some foks are interested in an exchange of views, even with people they disagree with, and some just like sharpening their skills with the ad hominem.

You're wasting your time with the latter.

By the way, I agree with the "chemical soup" view of the origins of life, just as I believe in the "lump of iron" view of the origin of diesel engines. You start with a lump of iron, and inject energy and information (technology, plans, intelligent directed effort) and voila', an engine.

The chemical soup works the same. Its more than just the zap of electricity, because even single cell organisms are actually small single-cell machines, with moving parts. Pretty interesting, really. With an internal transmission of information and control.


1,897 posted on 10/01/2006 11:19:47 AM PDT by marron
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To: Alamo-Girl

no, kiddo - lapdog and nameless are not you and boop. a pity you didn't read that exchange in detail, as an earlier post made it clear that the Twins are nothing but cheerleaders, and a later post makes it clear that Twins does not refer to you two.

go ahead and look.

then, either admit the error, or passively reinforce an uttered falsehood.


1,927 posted on 10/02/2006 1:25:08 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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