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To: js1138
I understand your position.

Darwin's reasons are cryptic, brief. He was more interested in natural selection and so on.

So we must look elsewhere in the consideration of origins. I don't think questions of origins are unimportant. For example, I think it is an profound conclusion to say certain aspects are unkowable. But this much is clear to me: the study of biological processes can proceed without a theory of origins; but this is no reason to say that life originated independent of biological processes.

1,859 posted on 09/30/2006 12:03:38 PM PDT by cornelis (Fecisti nos ad te)
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To: cornelis
...but this is no reason to say that life originated independent of biological processes.

I think you need to give this part a bit more thought. Try reading some stuff by actual researchers so you will at least have some common ground for discussion.

1,862 posted on 09/30/2006 12:31:35 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: cornelis; betty boop
Thank you so very much for your insights concerning the manner of investigation of the abiogenesis v biogenesis question!

It is important to keep looking even if it is logically unknowable - simply because so many people are curious about origins. Also, I believe it would be wrong to dismiss discovery out-of-hand, i.e. only look to laboratory experiments. Who knows what observation technology may arise in the years to come?

But I very strongly assert that abiogenesis investigations should not repeat the Urey/Miller omission, i.e. they were not aware of the information (successful communication) component of life and were only able to produce about a dozen amino acids. IOW, they looked for a physicochemical solution only. The Wimmer experiments on the other hand began with the DNA message and were successful in bootstrapping the polio virus.

The investigation into abiogenesis v biogenesis must be wide to include all the non-spatial, non-temporal or non-corporeal factors that can be considered (information, geometry, autonomy, symantics, semiosis, etc.)

1,867 posted on 09/30/2006 10:29:24 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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