Posted on 09/18/2006 1:51:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
There may be some overlap between the causative properties that form natural history and those that form human history.
The distinction between determinate and indeterminate events is no reason to hold that absence of knowledge about causative properties means that such properties are actually indeterminate. That is an epistemological mistake. Indeterminacy is either a postive or negative characteristic.
I think you need to give this part a bit more thought. Try reading some stuff by actual researchers so you will at least have some common ground for discussion.
Not if it is unimportant.
It's only important if you plan to pontificate on it in public without looking silly.
It must have been a hilarious skit. And the metaphor is funny here too wrt a hard-nosed defense of abiogenesis' "warm little pond."
Only watching this episode can capture the subtle and fine details of the metaphore and the characters involved.. Pity you missed it..
It is important to keep looking even if it is logically unknowable - simply because so many people are curious about origins. Also, I believe it would be wrong to dismiss discovery out-of-hand, i.e. only look to laboratory experiments. Who knows what observation technology may arise in the years to come?
But I very strongly assert that abiogenesis investigations should not repeat the Urey/Miller omission, i.e. they were not aware of the information (successful communication) component of life and were only able to produce about a dozen amino acids. IOW, they looked for a physicochemical solution only. The Wimmer experiments on the other hand began with the DNA message and were successful in bootstrapping the polio virus.
The investigation into abiogenesis v biogenesis must be wide to include all the non-spatial, non-temporal or non-corporeal factors that can be considered (information, geometry, autonomy, symantics, semiosis, etc.)
placemarker
Darwin himself stated in Origin of the Species that if the fossil record did not prove the biological links asserted in his theory, the whole would not stand. After these many years and these millions of fossils found, labeled, recorded, and categorized, the links are not there. A Darwinist Believer may claim, "We are VERY CLOSE to finding them!" Close may be good enough for horseshoes, hand grenades, and government work, but that is not how Science operates...at least, it ought not operate that way.
You can be a psychic and still be an evolutionist, there's not inherent conflict.
Now go fleece those naive sheep!
Do you ever get tired of parroting the same things over and over again?
We've found plenty of links, I'm not really worried on that account.
I just sent a regular email to my dear sister in Christ, betty boop using that exact same term, parrot, to characterize the decline in mentality world-wide and keenly so among evolutionist web-combatants.
It is most evident around here in the responses she and I receive to things we did not say almost as if, since you are not in our cabal, then your thinking is type X and therefore you mean A and so my response is B.
What ever happened to reason?
I went on to speculate in my email to betty boop that IMHO the likely cause for widespread parroting in the world is the education system. From kindergarten to post-grad, people are taught to parrot much more so than to think on their own. Talk about "political correctness!"
Speaking of mindless knee-jerk group-parroting, just take a peek at this exchange on Darwin Central.
betty boop and I are called Blavatsky twins new age spiritualists who think they are Christian reincarnations of Plato.
What ever happened to reason? Jeepers, for that matter, what ever happened to reading? Or better still, reading comprehension?
betty boop and I are clearly Christians, neither of us embrace theosophy. Moreover, if anyone would care to actually read what we write, both of us are interested in the great Greek philosophers precisely because of our Christianity not despite it.
Talk about new age parroting is the means of the "in crowds" from Islamic fundamentalism to 911 conspiracy theorists to anti-war mobs to [pick a type] political correctness.
Plato and Aristotle were not only not parrots, they were the exact opposite of parrots.
Thank you, Jesus! Maranatha!
Or how about this one from the same link calling us lapdog and nameless they are nearly indistinguishable, they are usually found side-by-side, and each is assuredly a boob.
Mah powahs do not come frum jest mah-seyulf!! Thay're frum sumthin' graytuh withiyun! Ah feel sumthin' MOVIN' INSAHD ME EVUN NOW!
Oops! Gotta run.
So were you actually responding to my post in some fashion, or were you just doing a search for the first use of the word "parrot" to go off in some sort of diatribe?
Thank you for illustrating the point!
Always happy to be of use, although I prefer it when I'm being of use for something that makes coherent sense. Alas!
Logo.. LoL....
Darwin Central "the Conspiracy that Cares"....
NOW thats funny... The Chemical SoupNazis have their own website..
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