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Reductio: No religious thread involving Catholicism would be complete without the intervention of the schismatics of SSPX who imagine themselves and only themselves to be the one true Catholic Church whatever Pope John Paul the Grat may have thought when he banished their leaders and adherents as excommunicated schismatics.

Expert as you claim to be, would the leaders and adherents of the Society of Saint Pius X (dishonoring his memory by misusing his name in service to their schism) be excluded from salvation by their schismatic status, under the definition you quoted from the 15th century Council of Florence????

Do you feel a need to govern God's judgment by telling Hm what He can and cannot do in respect to individual judgment and the eternal disposition of those to be judged?

Is it not the actual Catholic position that salvation is attained THROUGH the Roman Catholic (and Eastern Orthodox) Church and that salvation is available to many more than the formal members of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy? And NOT to all Catholics or Eastern Orthodox since being in the state of grace is also necessary. AND that if God judges otherwise in any specific cases, we are in no position to disagree with God's judgment???? AND that the Church (Mystical Body of Christ) extends well beyond the mere borders of formal membership in the Roman Catholic Church to those known as "separated brethren"????

May I take for granted that you assert that each and every person who, after, say, the first Pentecost, died other than as a formal member of the Roman Catholic Church, regardless of moral merit, regardless of opportunity or lack thereof to even hear of Catholicism much less be baptized into it, has gone to hell, including the excommunicated schismatics such as SSPXers and Feeneyites?????

MWT, RG, NP: My apologies for those who claim to be Catholic.

"Reductio: No religious thread involving Catholicism would be complete without the intervention of the schismatics of SSPX who imagine themselves and only themselves to be the one true Catholic Church whatever Pope John Paul the Grat may have thought when he banished their leaders and adherents as excommunicated schismatics."

I have no idea how the SSPX even enters this discussion.

"Expert as you claim to be, would the leaders and adherents of the Society of Saint Pius X (dishonoring his memory by misusing his name in service to their schism) be excluded from salvation by their schismatic status, under the definition you quoted from the 15th century Council of Florence????"

Those Catholics who would willingly and obstinately deny the infallibly defined dogma "outside the Church there is no salvation", after having been shown that this is indeed what the Church teaches, would be included under the heretics made reference to the Council of Florence's Cantate Domino quoted above. I'm not an SSPX priest nor do I assist at Masses provided by the SSPX. You would have to take those people on a case by case basis to find out if they in any way are in violation of unity with the Church. I don't have time for that, nor am I interested in doing or discussing that, as it does not relate to this discussion in any way whatsoever.

"Do you feel a need to govern God's judgment by telling Hm what He can and cannot do in respect to individual judgment and the eternal disposition of those to be judged?"

I'd simply deny that I have felt or expressed any such need, which is the truth, and point to the fact that I have only restated Catholic dogma. I'd then posit that you are misrepresenting your opposition in this discussion.

"Is it not the actual Catholic position that salvation is attained THROUGH the Roman Catholic (and Eastern Orthodox) Church and that salvation is available to many more than the formal members of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy?"

No; "through the Church" is theologically incorrect.

"And NOT to all Catholics or Eastern Orthodox since being in the state of grace is also necessary. AND that if God judges otherwise in any specific cases, we are in no position to disagree with God's judgment????"

I'd simply ask, in response, who is any Catholic to disagree with the Church, which Church has clearly and infallibly defined that there is no salvation outside of Her?

"AND that the Church (Mystical Body of Christ) extends well beyond the mere borders of formal membership in the Roman Catholic Church to those known as "separated brethren"????

No, as Pope Leo XIII clearly stated in Mystici Corporis Christi, the Mystical Body of Christ and the Catholic Church are synonymous.

"May I take for granted that you assert that each and every person who, after, say, the first Pentecost, died other than as a formal member of the Roman Catholic Church, regardless of moral merit, regardless of opportunity or lack thereof to even hear of Catholicism much less be baptized into it, has gone to hell, including the excommunicated schismatics such as SSPXers and Feeneyites?????"

You may take it for granted that the Church has clearly and infallibly defined that all those who die outside the Ark, the Catholic Church, are lost for all eternity. They must first enter the Church, and remain within her until death, as the Church has most clearly stated.

"MWT, RG, NP: My apologies for those who claim to be Catholic."

Yes indeed. My apologies as well, as it seems not everyone wants to believe and profess the Catholic truth.