Traditional Mass Propers For The Feast Day of Saint Nicholas of Tolentino

"Even though Rome never prohibited them, many US bishops refused to grant the indult."

Okay, trying to apply logic here.

If a thing cannot be done except by special permission, isn't the default state properly called "prohibited?"

If a thing cannot be done except by special permission, isn't the default state properly called "prohibited?"

No. You're missing something here.

Rome (Vatican) has not prohibited the indult. They left it up to the local dioceses. That was my original point.

If a local bishop chooses not to grant it, then it's prohibited locally, but that is not a direct prohibition from Rome.

That is my understanding, I'm sorry if I can't make myself more clear for you. (have you read Iota Unum? I highly recommend it).

"Rome (Vatican) has not prohibited the indult. They left it up to the local dioceses. That was my original point. If a local bishop chooses not to grant it, then it's prohibited locally, but that is not a direct prohibition from Rome."

That argument seems a bit Jesuitical, if you'll pardon the expression.

It is to say, "Oh, no, I'm not prohibiting it myself. Instead, I'm handing over the decision to someone I know will prohibit it. That way I get it prohibited, without going on record as either prohibiting nor allowing."

When I was arguing with that deacon, he said (quite condescendingly, as if I wouldn't know what an indult was) that the American bishops asked for and received an indult to allow them to force the faithful to stand for communion.

My reply was that it was evil of the bishops even to ask for that indult, and evil of the Vatican to grant it.

An informed conscience tells us that the Vatican does not get off the hook vis a vis the Tridentine Mass through the transparent stratagem of passing the decision to modernist heretics.

Only the Vatican had the authority to protect the faithful from modernists, and the Vatican failed utterly in that duty.

If it's true that the floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bad bishops, the imps must be building a special North American Annex to accomodate the traffic.

It is simply more JP2 double-speak. At the time he made the proclamation, it was presented in such a manner as to assert the chains were removed from local priests, when in fact he was passing on the keys of containment on to his minions to continue the denial.

More two-faced, push-pull JP2 crap; a duplicate of his cleaning out of American seminaries of the homo control - a lot of media flash and no action. He was a past master of illusion. Trouble is, he was toying with the His faithful; blinded by the cardinal sin of pride, and having to answer to Jesus Christ for his abominable actions.

"The soldier of Christ can not survive in these times without a profound personal devotion to Him, marked by an intimate knowledge of His life in the Holy Gospels. Ponder His life in the mysteries of the Rosary, practice the devotion to the Sacred Heart, to the Child Jesus, or to the Holy Face. Above all, [ give up whatever is displeasing to Him, and dare not attempt to serve two masters ]." -- From the Homily of Father Louis J. Campbell for the Fourteenth Sunday After Pentecost

My reply was that it was evil of the bishops even to ask for that indult, and evil of the Vatican to grant it.

I didn't understand that in your reply/questions. If that is what you were implying, I completely agree with you 100%. Honestly, I didn't understand what you were getting at when you were replying to me. We're on the same page.

If it's true that the floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bad bishops, the imps must be building a special North American Annex to accomodate the traffic.

That's for sure!

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