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BIRTH OF MARY, September 8th
EWTN.com ^ | not giben | A. Valentini

Posted on 09/07/2006 11:32:47 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Rutles4Ever
Great points, both here and #127. Thanks.

-A8

143 posted on 09/08/2006 12:22:59 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: William Terrell

Sorry. You need to refer to the Greek not to the English translation.


144 posted on 09/08/2006 12:23:28 PM PDT by Maeve (St. Rafqa, pray for us.)
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To: RelicMM

Lawsa mercy, child, puleeeeeeze give that needle of yours a bump or change the record already! We get the picture!


146 posted on 09/08/2006 12:25:38 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mid East Ceasefire = Israel ceases but her enemies fire)
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To: Maeve

Hi Miss Maeve,

A happy birthday of Our Mother to you!


148 posted on 09/08/2006 12:26:22 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mid East Ceasefire = Israel ceases but her enemies fire)
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To: RelicMM
Perhaps this is needed again:

Reparation for Blasphemy Against the Blessed Virgin Mary

Most glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God and our Mother, turn thine eyes in pity upon us, miserable sinners; we are sore afflicted by the many evils that surround us in this life, but especially do we feel our hearts break within us upon hearing the dreadful insults and blasphemies uttered against thee, O Virgin Immaculate. O how these impious sayings offend the infinite Majesty of God and of His only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ! How they provoke His indignation and give us cause to fear the terrible effects of His vengeance! Would that the sacrifice of our lives might avail to put an end to such outrages and blasphemies; were it so, how gladly we should make it, for we desire, O most holy Mother, to love thee and to honor thee with all our hearts, since this is the will of God. And just because we love thee, we will do all that is in our power to make thee honored and loved by all men. In the meantime do thou, our merciful Mother, the supreme comforter of the afflicted, accept this our act of reparation which we offer thee for ourselves and for all our families, as well as for all who impiously blaspheme thee, not knowing what they say. Do thou obtain for them from Almighty God the grace of conversion, and thus render more manifest and more glorious thy kindness, thy power and thy great mercy. May they join with us in proclaiming thee blessed among women, the Immaculate Virgin and most compassionate Mother of God.

Hail Mary three times.
Source: The Raccolta, 1950

149 posted on 09/08/2006 12:27:13 PM PDT by Maeve (St. Rafqa, pray for us.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

And a happy birthday of Our Mother to you too, dear friend!


150 posted on 09/08/2006 12:28:05 PM PDT by Maeve (St. Rafqa, pray for us.)
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To: Gamecock
Prophets in Scripture were able to perform miracles to validate their own position. If Mary was who the Catholics say she was, wouldn't she be able to perform miracles to validate it

Well, we don't say she was God, so I dunno how that follows. Plus, all the prophets were clear that it was God working through them, not them doing it themselves.

(And I don't mean giving birth to God incarnate, that was not something she stood up and did, but was placed on her by God.)

Again, just like the Prophets...it was not her that was doing it but God doing it through her. But I wouldn't take Mary's will out of the equation either: remember..."Let it be done to me according to thy word." That's an assent, however you slice it. She could have said "no" as Jonah once did.

151 posted on 09/08/2006 12:30:46 PM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud; Salvation; Carolina; NYer
The Divine Praises

    Blessed be God.
    Blessed be His Holy Name.
    Blessed be Jesus Christ, true God and true man.
    Blessed be the name of Jesus.
    Blessed be His Most Sacred Heart.
    Blessed be Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.
    Blessed be the Holy Spirit, the paraclete.
    Blessed be the great Mother of God, Mary most holy.
    Blessed be her holy and Immaculate Conception.
    Blessed be her glorious Assumption.
    Blessed be the name of Mary, Virgin and Mother.
    Blessed be Saint Joseph, her most chaste spouse.
    Blessed be God in His angels and in His Saints.

    May the heart of Jesus, in the Most Blessed Sacrament, be praised, adored, and loved with grateful affection, at every moment, in all the tabernacles of the world, even to the end of time. Amen. 

153 posted on 09/08/2006 12:40:46 PM PDT by Maeve (St. Rafqa, pray for us.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Believe it or not...they are very good people..one is actually a pastor of a church in south carolina...another is extremely active in Calvary who is trying to get me to leave the Catholic Church...another is Jewish who just has all kinds of problems with the modern day church and says the faith is based on idols and icons....etc..but each of these people are actually very good and giving human beings....and another is a Southern Baptist who believes the church is a "dungeon of guilt".

They just love to take swipes on the Catholic religion and church at any given time.


154 posted on 09/08/2006 12:42:08 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache ("Scientology is dangerous stuff,it's like forming a religion based around Johnny Quest and Haji.")
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To: Maeve


Our Lady's Nativitye

Joye in the risinge of our orient starr,
That shall bringe forth the Sunne that lent her light;
Joy in the peace that shall conclude our warr,
And soone rebate the edge of Satan's spight;
Load-starr of all engolfd in worldly waves,
The card and compasse that from shipwracke saves.

The patriark and prophettes were the floures
Which Tyme by course of ages did distill,
And culld into this little cloude the shoures
Whose gracious droppes the world with joy shall fill;
Whose moysture suppleth every soule with grace,
And bringeth life to Adam's dyinge race.

For God, on Earth, she is the royall throne,
The chosen cloth to make His mortall weede;
The quarry to cutt out our Corner-stone,
Soyle full of fruite, yet free from mortall seede;
For heavenly floure she is the Jesse rodd
The childe of man, the parent of God.

Robert Southwell (1560-1595)


155 posted on 09/08/2006 12:48:22 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Rutles4Ever
Since Protestants don't believe in intercessory prayer, wouldn't it have made MUCH more sense for the following exchange to have occurred?

How about this one?

James/John's mother: Lord, when you come into your kingdom let my sons sit on your right and left.

Jesus: What! Are you daft!! I don't have that right but if you asks my mother then I'll see what I can do.

156 posted on 09/08/2006 12:48:28 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Rutles4Ever

Thank you for this beautiful post.

I was away for a while--(I do have a day job)

I have often thought, when meditating on the the Wedding Feast at Cana: Our Lord chose his Twelve. Then together with them and his mother, they went to the wedding. The Apostles and his Mother went with him to the wedding--what an important fact this is for us to remember. From Genesis to Revelation the Scriptures refer, either openly or obliquely, to the "Nuptials"--Christ and his Bride the Church. How fitting that He chose to work his first public miracle, making his first entry into his public life as Son and Messiah, at a wedding feast--with his Twelve and his mother.


157 posted on 09/08/2006 12:53:39 PM PDT by Running On Empty
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To: Maeve
Sorry, you need to be more specific.

158 posted on 09/08/2006 12:54:15 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
... all she did was give birth to Christ...she never did anything herself that changed the spectrum of the bible...she was just "chosen" to give birth.

Yea, God's little incubator.

God's glorious plan involves His Will to send His Son to die on the cross for just one, JUST ONE, sinner - as they will say.

Not that this plan was thought out in eternity as an integral whole that involves anything important like taking into account His whole humanity, including His conception and birth. Or His Mother for that matter.

Christ loved His Mother. To be a follower of Christ, best to do the same.

159 posted on 09/08/2006 1:01:45 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: My Favorite Headache

So according to the person you spoke with " Mary means nothing in spiritual and biblical terms" Yet at the same time he said " she was just "chosen" to give birth."

To buy his premise I would have to believe that God chooses in a random, unknowing, blinded and indifferent manner. He does in other words indeed play dice with the universe.

But the very assumption of your friends argument goes against what has been revealed to us in Scripture about the Nature of God. How can an all powerful, all knowing, all seeing God do anything randomly?
How can a loving God and father be indifferent to how He interacts with us? It also contradicts an idea central to Christian teaching. That our relationship with Christ is not only Corporate but Personal. We are called by name and Christ died for my sins and saves me. It is because of the love that God has for each and everyone of us that He came down from heaven and became man. This is not a God of random indifference. But a loving Father that knows His children and acts always for their good.


160 posted on 09/08/2006 1:12:59 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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