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To: Iscool
Obviously you and Campion have different views on justification...Does your church teach two different doctrines???

No. What I was replying to is that there the article posted did not reveal ALL of the Council of Trent as to faith and works. It was misleading in that it led one to believe that the Church was only promoting justification by works and not by faith and works.

What do you do with St. James? Why won't anyone who is Protestant answer me on this?

"Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?" St. James 2:24

"For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead."St. James 2:26

Catholic Catechism:

1814 Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself. By faith "man freely commits his entire self to God."78 For this reason the believer seeks to know and do God's will. "The righteous shall live by faith." Living faith "work[s] through charity."79

1815 The gift of faith remains in one who has not sinned against it.80 But "faith apart from works is dead":81 when it is deprived of hope and love, faith does not fully unite the believer to Christ and does not make him a living member of his Body.

There's your answer as to our doctrines.

32 posted on 09/06/2006 7:41:40 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: FJ290; Campion
What do you do with St. James? Why won't anyone who is Protestant answer me on this?

A lot of Protestants haven't figured this out either...They just think the bible contradicts itself...

Mat. 25:32 is a judgement of Nations, at the end of the Tribulation (Joel 3:2,12,14)...The people of the Nations are likened to sheep and goats...And their judgement is based on feeding and clothing God's brethren; visiting His brethren in prison...The brethren are Jews in the Tribulation...The sheep are folks saved by faith and works...

This is not the last judgement...Heaven and Earth has not passed away...At the last judgement, the unsaved dead are judged...In the last judgement, the criterion is your name being in the book of life...Here, the criterion is works towards someone...In the last judgement, no one inherits a kingdom...Here, they do...

The sheep are not saved people from this age since we are saved by faith alone...(Eph. 2:8-10, John 3:36; 5:24)...

The sheep are not saved people from this age, for saved people in this age became sinless angels at the first resurrection (Mat. 22:30) and are found with Christ at this judgement...(Mat. 25:31,32)They are not being judged by Him (Dan. 7:8-11)...

1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

No one in the chapter mentions rejecting Christ, or rejecting the Gospel...The lost are not condemned until the 2nd coming of Christ...Yet, everyone of the lost is condemned already...And not for not ministering to the brethren...

The THRONE OF HIS GLORY is the Throne of King David...It's a physical throne on earth...(Mat. 19:28; Jer. 14:21; Psa. 102:16; Luke 1:32)...

And just prior to this judgement there's going to be a little war...(Joel 3:9-15)...

James chapter 2 falls in with Mat. chapters 24,25...James was written primarily to Jews during the Tribulation that will require faith, and works for salvation...The Christians saved by faith alone are gone...They will show up with Christ to judge the 12 Tribes of Israel and the Gentile Nations...Christ will sit on the Throne of David, in Jerusalem, for a thousand years...And then, the White Throne Judgment...

That's what I do with James chapter 2...

40 posted on 09/06/2006 10:07:02 PM PDT by Iscool
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