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To: P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy; xzins; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; OrthodoxPresbyterian; TomSmedley
And their entire theology hinges upon an impossible to prove assumption that the Book of Revelation was written before AD70;

Oh, so now we have left the realm of interpreting the Bible and move to interpreting the documents of church historians. Last time I checked there as no copyright date on the Book of Revelation, or any other book of the Bible. When they were written is matter of honest debate among scholars. You do admit that there are many competent scholars with no axe to grind who believe Revelation was written prior to AD70, don't you? Or are they all just "party hacks" in your mind?

And the last time I checked no one had placed a seal of infallibility on the writings of Irenaeus, Eusebius, Jerome, or other of the early fathers.

Theology ought to be based on Scripture alone. What our theology tells us about the world is a different issue.

Question, does not the anti-preterist rely just as much if not more on the post AD70-date as the preterist may value the pre-AD70 date? If the pre-AD70 date is true your futurist system is very much in jeopardy.

55 posted on 09/01/2006 10:00:45 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe; Buggman; blue-duncan; Quix; Alamo-Girl; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; ...

Wow. That is a significant change on your part, TC.

You are now allowing the possible legitimacy of the post-70 AD dating of the Book of Revelation.

I'm glad to hear it because it is by far the stronger case.

That means that any inclined to be preterist must switch to some form of "historical" fulfilling of those items which preterists have already agreed are in need of fulfillment; i.e., not symbolic.

That is a remarkable concession.


57 posted on 09/01/2006 10:05:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: topcat54; xzins; blue-duncan; Buggman; Quix
If the pre-AD70 date is true your futurist system is very much in jeopardy.

No it is not. My premillenial position is not based upon when Revelation was written, but by what is written in Revelation. Your preterist position is contingent upon a pre-70AD authorship of Revelation. If it was written after the destruction of the temple, then it would necessarily be a futurist book. It could still be a "futurist" book even if it were penned at the time of the crucifixion or even before (as was Daniel).

All evidence (both internal and external) points to a post 90AD date for the book of Revelation.

71 posted on 09/01/2006 10:32:39 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: topcat54

If the pre-AD70 date is true your futurist system is very much in jeopardy.
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NOT at all.

That may be the law, custom, doctrine, habit, . . . whatever . . . in Holland. Last I checked, Holland did not include the whole planet under their forced rule and mind set.


90 posted on 09/01/2006 11:27:46 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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