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Heretical Hymns? (Sacred songs that contradict church teachings)
Catholic Education ^ | August 29, 2006 | George Weigel

Posted on 08/29/2006 1:08:37 PM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer
I propose the Index Canticorum Prohibitorum, the "Index of Forbidden Hymns."

"Ouuuhhhh. I like."

We all have our lists. "You ask me how I know He lives? He lives within my heart."

The first hymns to go should be hymns that teach heresy.

You don't have that problem when you sing the Psalms.

81 posted on 08/29/2006 4:05:49 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: Quix
BAGPIPES AMAZING GRACE ABOUT 0530 mornings of the weekend.

Did quite well at top volume.

Ah, heaven! (Gramma was a McGregor. It's in me blood.)

82 posted on 08/29/2006 4:07:21 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: Eepsy
Didn't the Seraphim have a set of six wings?

But are they strictly speaking angels (angelos, ie. messenger)?

83 posted on 08/29/2006 4:10:16 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: Salvation
One of the reasons that "Amazing Grace" will not be sung at anything Catholic that I have anything to do with.
Read the words -- they support that we are saved by grace ALONE. Not true with Catholic teaching.
23 posted on 08/29/2006 by Salvation

That is true; and I was amused to be at a Roman Catholic mass and hear the parishioners singing the Reformation Battle Hymn, "A Mighty Fortress is our God".
29 posted on 08/29/2006 by Bainbridge

Exactly so! "Amazing Grace is based on the heresy that by His Grace, Christ "covers" our sinful hearts and hides them from the eyes of the Father. Catholic teaching is that Christ's grace cleanses our hearts and sanctifies them from sin and its effects.

"A Mighty Fortress" is one of Luther's vile anti-Papist screeds.

No one's mentioned the hippyish "Let There Be Peace On Earth" yet. Compare to Matthew 10:34-36.

84 posted on 08/29/2006 4:10:21 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Bainbridge

ping to #84


85 posted on 08/29/2006 4:12:47 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal
Amazing Grace is based on the heresy that by His Grace, Christ "covers" our sinful hearts and hides them from the eyes of the Father.

There's no hint of that in the text.

"A Mighty Fortress" is one of Luther's vile anti-Papist screeds.

Again, unless you're talking about German words with which I'm not familiar, there's nothing intrinsically anti-Catholic about the text.

86 posted on 08/29/2006 4:17:52 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: NYer

For Sundays, I'll take "Holy God We Praise Thy Name" every week. Can't sing it enough.

For my funeral, I want the 1932 version of this. I haven't heard it since I was a boy with the priest in black vestments. Oh wow!

http://www.franciscan-archive.org/de_celano/opera/diesirae.html


87 posted on 08/29/2006 4:21:51 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: Dajjal
One more thing. Some of the swill coming from Oregon Catholic Press is absolutely heretical. I was subjected, a few weeks ago, to a "worship song" which described Jesus as "waiting like a lover". "Lover"? Funny, I thought Jesus was a Bridegroom and the relationship between Him and his church was marital, not anything else.

I don't customarily refer to my wife as my "lover," I call her my wife.

The reason there's garbage like that is that in a Catholic church is that a fair amount of the garbage from OCP is written by homosexuals, like, e.g., Dan Schutte, who lives with his male lover -- there's that word again -- in San Francisco. The "hymns" are heretical because the people writing it often aren't faithful Catholics themselves!

Given the choice between homosexual propaganda in the guise of hymnody and something solidly Christian written by Martin Luther ... well, let's just say this Papist will say Hier stande ich, ich kann nicht anders!!

88 posted on 08/29/2006 4:25:25 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: NYer

You can put "Anthem" at the top of that list...

...a Mormon theology lesson in song (if you ask me).


89 posted on 08/29/2006 4:28:02 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: gracebeliever
Nowhere in Scripture are angels depicted as having wings and nowhere are angels described as other than having the appearance of a man. Something to chew on.

Seraphim, a Hebrew masculine plural form, designates a special class of heavenly attendants of Yahweh's court. In Holy Writ these angelic beings are distinctly mentioned only in Isaias's description of his call to the prophetical office (Isaiah 6:2 sqq.). In a vision of deep spiritual import, granted him in the Temple, Isaias beheld the invisible realities symbolized by the outward forms of Yahweh's dwelling place, of its altar, its ministers, etc. While he stood gazing before the priest's court, there arose before him an august vision of Yahweh sitting on the throne of His glory. On each side of the throne stood mysterious guardians, each supplied with six wings: two to bear them up, two veiling their faces, and two covering their feet, now naked, as became priestly service in the presence of the Almighty. His highest servants, they were there to minister to Him and proclaim His glory, each calling to the other: "Holy, holy, holy, Yahweh of hosts; all the earth is full of His glory."

90 posted on 08/29/2006 4:28:42 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: FJ290
You are not some lowly worm, but a marvellous creation of the Almighty God.

I'd rather say, "You were ceated much more than a worm; fallen you are far worse, since you are the corruption of so noble a thing, and 'lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds'.(No that's not Scripture, I do confess it.) Redeemed, you are again higher, but you bear the marks of your degradation, as Christ bears His wounds. However in Him they are and in you they may become glorious."

But then, I'll say anything ...

91 posted on 08/29/2006 4:29:27 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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To: Alex Murphy

We Catholics can defend through scripture our doctrine that works provide means of deepening and finding grace...and I can defend it using any mainstream non-Catholic Bible you choose.


92 posted on 08/29/2006 4:29:45 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: bonfire

Being stretched here and there as usual. Is there an option?

Didn't think so.

LUB,
THX,


93 posted on 08/29/2006 4:32:24 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: FJ290

Yes and no.

I understand his and your valid point.

But . . . God has taught me SOMEWHAT the perspective Isaiah had . . . HE IS HIGH AND LIFTED UP AND HIS TRAIN FILLED THE TEMPLE.

By comparison . . . worm is a reasonable perspective.


94 posted on 08/29/2006 4:33:44 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Lee N. Field

LOL.

The workshop participants certainly had trouble staying asleep with it.


95 posted on 08/29/2006 4:35:01 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Dajjal

NO.

THE BLOOD CLEANSES TO THE UTTERMOST. We are not in doubt or confused about that if we are reared in any healthy Evangelical church at all.


96 posted on 08/29/2006 4:36:14 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Mad Dawg

Good explanation. Thanks.


97 posted on 08/29/2006 4:37:09 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: ichabod1
Doesn't matter to me any more, I'm Catholic.

Welcome home!

Did you watch EWTN's The Journey Home, last night? Grodi's guest was a former Baptist minister. What an amazing journey!

98 posted on 08/29/2006 4:37:20 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: Quix
By comparison . . . worm is a reasonable perspective.

Do you believe that a man/woman can be holy? God demands it of us. "You shall be holy, because I am holy."

99 posted on 08/29/2006 4:38:37 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: ladyinred
Protestants are always welcome on my threads :-)

I just heard that a lot of the Churches are taking all references to "blood" out of the hymnals so as not to offend anyone.

Who could be offended by that? Did Christ not spill His blood for mankind? Are we to pretend that He suffered an unbloody crucifixion? Someone shake up these decision makers; better yet, fire them.

That just disgusts me.

The blood? Or removing it from the songs?

100 posted on 08/29/2006 4:54:46 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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