Posted on 08/21/2006 8:01:20 PM PDT by sionnsar
Typso ergo sum, right?
I see your point on the Eucharist.
Retired, but blogging.
Biography
Retired C of E Clergyman, one wife, two children, three grandchildren, and four coronary artery bypass grafts. Like Moses, he keeps on taking the tablets.
Born 1933, the year in which Hitler came to power.
Served in Royal Air Force for 20 years total.
Made Deacon (C of E) 1974, Priest 1975.
... So, if you have been baptised somewhere in the Anglican Communion you are probably OK because all agree that baptism with water and in the name of the Holy Trinity is valid no matter who carries it out. However, once you get beyond that it all goes a bit grey. Can a lay man or woman administer confirmation ? - or celebrate the Eucharist ? We know that lay men and women cannot bless, and we make provision for what they might say when called upon to do something like blessing. Deacons are not Deacons, Priests are not Priests, and Bishops are not Bishops - sorry about that Mr. Williams of Canterbury ! So really, since we have no valid ministry it must be very doubtful whether we are a proper church at all.
Differences of opinion over the Eucharist pale into insignificance when it dawns on you that we don't have a Eucharist about which to differ.
Now, Septuagent could be wrong here, as he is not a "professional" theologian, and it is a year or two since he was at college. But you will agree, there is something here that needs some serious "looking at". Until it is faced, and sorted, all other discussion falls to the ground.
*The gentleman was considering the implications of what I earlier posted
Few who are anglican Christians even know about such matters and those who do rarely face-up to the consequences of the reality.
At least this c of e minister does.
You are talking about the ECUSA, not Anglicans. ANGLICAN Catholics are probably MORE Catholic than a lot of RCCers ...and I say that as a former RCCer.
Yeah, its all about the Magisterium isnt it, despite the Great Schism.
FYI
Very interesting.
Your community has severed all three Bonds and derives its putative authority from a community that had long previously lost Apostoilic Sucession, Ordination of Priests, Eucharist etc.
Your admirable home page has a link to a website where various claims are made concerning your community. It would be more convincing were the explanation to include links to any Ecumenical Document or Papal Encyclical referencing your community as being a church in union with Rome.
You are prolly not unaware there are myriad communites making claims similar to yours.
Prayerfully consider a return to true Apostolicity, Ordinations, Authority, Eucharist etc.
Come home to Rome, sister
Thank you though :D
Indeed, you are correct. Thank you for checking out my page :D. Which is why I say that current events in the ECUSA and the disintegration of the ECUSA should not be allowed to cloud what is happening.
Perhaps your priest was ordained by a Bishop in the line of Apostolic Sucession? Do you have any evidence he was?
True Gospel music, like all church music worth listening to, is totally rooted in Scripture.
But that's not the point -- the Anglicans can definitively demonstrate their Apostolic Succession. It's only the decree of Pope Leo XIII that rendered it null and void. I suppose their position would be that he could not put asunder a line of bishops and priests that God had instituted, to borrow from the wedding vows. I would say that history shows that he did indeed have that power as we've all watched the Anglican Communion wither on the vine. For the record I am a cradle Episcopalian, Confirmed into the Roman Catholic Church last spring. It seems that the better of an ANGLO Catholic I became, the more I wanted to be a REAL Catholic.
Dear ichabod1,
"only the decree of Pope Leo XIII that rendered it null and void."
Strictly speaking, the encyclical of Pope Leo XIII did not render Anglican orders invalid. Rather, it observed the objective reality of the invalidity of Anglican orders.
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My you have conviction in your Roman Catholicism, but you are here arguing with Anglo-Catholics. (The Evangelical Anglicans are simply being polite and sitting out the argument.) If you are correct, won't many simply follow the way of Cardinal Newman and cross the Tiber? It seems that your zeal and theological insight could be put to a much more effective use and be more strongly tested on some of the hard-core Calvinist (aka "Reformed") threads. Have you ever ventured over there at all?
*Yes, and I am thinking of returning there again, perhaps during Lent
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