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To: Titanites
If you have been saved once and forever, it seems that this phrase in the prayer would be meaningless.

Our Father contradicts several aspects of Propestant theology. The necessity of works of charity is one. The continuing rather than one time salvation is another (temptation, deliver from evil). The existence of free will and our ability to conform our will to the Divine Will is another (your will be done on earth). We should not neglect the hint at the Eucharist in the "supersubstantial bread".

73 posted on 08/18/2006 9:43:24 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

Our Father contradicts several aspects of Propestant theology. The necessity of works of charity is one. The continuing rather than one time salvation is another (temptation, deliver from evil). The existence of free will and our ability to conform our will to the Divine Will is another (your will be done on earth). We should not neglect the hint at the Eucharist in the "supersubstantial bread".

OK, I'll bite...where does the need for works of charity show up in the Lord's Prayer? Let's review the text and take it line by line and in context (my comments to the right):

Our Father who Art in Heaven (properly addressing our Father)

Hallowed be Thy Name (Giving true honor to God's name)

Thy Kingdom Come (Confessing that we wish to see God's Kingdom reign supreme)

Thy Will be done (Confessing our subordination to God's perfect Will)

on earth as it is in Heaven (Acknowledging where God's Will is authoritative)

Give us this day our daily bread (You say this is a hint to the Eucharist, perhaps it is, I lean more toward asking for God to give us what we need daily for faith so pretty much the same thing I suppose).

Forgive us our sins (Admission we sin and the need to be forgiven)

as we forgive those who sin against us (Matches other scripture and proclomations by Christ that we must forgive each other lest we are not forgiven)

Lead us not into temptation (Help us to stay devoted to God and not to stray)

But deliver us from Evil (Bring us to you and away from Satan and all his tactics and filth)

So where exactly does the Lords prayer state the necessity of works of charity? The only remotely close statement I could see you support is forgiving each other, but I'm not quite sure that's a mandate to do works of charity and especially as part of salvation which is where I'm guessing you'll say that Protestants just don't understand that they are lacking in terms of saving faith..

I look forward to your reply...Blessings in Christ!


81 posted on 08/19/2006 11:15:12 AM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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