[GeronL]

Why can't they just start their own churches instead of taking over others'??

[madprof98]

Throughout the blasphemous puja-Mass, George’s friends Joan and Rose sat at the back, praying Rosaries, Litanies and other prayers. They spoke audibly, but quietly, “so that people would know something was wrong.”

Sounds to me as if they were the ones desecrating the service.

[Alex Murphy]

George, unaware that the NBCLC was actually founded by the Indian bishops forty years ago in order to Hinduize the Church in India,[1] was scandalized by the idea of pagan rituals at a Catholic Mass.

Haven't we been told that this stuff never happens?

[blam]

I don't care what people believe or who/what they worship just as long as it does not include killing me.

[Titanites]

They're getting a little slow. It took them 16 minutes.

[Dajjal]

Inculturation bumpus ad summum

[kerryusama04]

Pagan rites at a Catholic church? I'm shocked....shocked I say.

[Alex Murphy]

I'd like to get your feedback on the supposedly Hindu elements included in the Catholic Mass described in this thread.

You and I had crossed swords on an earlier Christian/Hindu thread, and I'd trust you to give a fair assessment on whether this was actually Hinduism being presented, or whether the parishoners were overreacting.

[Coleus]

Community Events June 16, 2006

 

Roman Rite Liturgy of the Eucharist
with religious cultural adaptations of India

July 2, 2006 @ 11:00 a.m.  St. Ann Church
followed by an Indian cultural program of music and dance

Presider: Fr. Thomas D’Sa
Director of the National Biblical Catechetical Liturgical Centre (CBCI) Bangalore, India.

Come participate in a celebration of the Roman Rite Liturgy of the Eucharist with adaptations from the culture of India. Join us on Sunday, July 2 at 11:00 a.m. in St. Ann Church, Toronto located at Gerard St. East and DeGrassi St. (two blocks east of the DVP). Parking is limited, but the TTC 506 streetcar stops right at the church.

[Alex Murphy]

For the record, I thought it odd that the article used the word "pastor" so many times, not "priest" or "father", to refer to the head of St. Ann's. Am I wrong in thinking that "pastor" is a misuse?

[Deo volente]

All Hell Breaks Loose

Well, they got that right!

[Coleus]

om shakti, ping

[kentuckycatholiceye]

I couldn't tell if this was a satire so I did some investigating. I did a Google search for 'Indian Order of Eucharistic Celebration' and came up with http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/documents/ns_lit_doc_05111999_new-delhi_en.html
I was really surprised!! This was a Mass celebrated by JPII.
Adaptations for India:

The Mass at the Stadium will have three Indian dances. Two win be at the entrance. The first will be a tribal dance leading the priests and bishops to the podium before the arrival of the Holy Father.

The second will be a prayer dance leading the Cardinals after the arrival of the Pope into the Stadium.

The third will be an offertory dance leading the persons with the offertory gifts to the altar.

At the Doxology when the Holy Father takes the chalice and paten with the host, the Aarati, which is a sign of veneration, will be performed by a group of young ladies. The Aarati will consist of the following: Pushpa arati, waving a tray of flowers with deepak (light) in the center and the showering of flower petals; Dhupa Aarati—the homage of incense; Deepa Aarati—the homage of light, waving of camphor fire and the ringing of the bell.

[LadyDoc]

One would have to be Indian to know if this was syncratization or merely inserting various Hindu beliefs into the Mass...

This is from Bengalore, but there IS a local Christian church in Kerala that dates back years... St Thomas Christians The Catholic view of mixing (AKA "Baptizing") non Christian elements in culture and redesigning them to point to Christ is an ongoing argument that goes back to the time of the Apostles (see Paul saying we should not argue about such things, and the discussion about gentiles in Acts).

If we want to be "pure" we'd have to get rid of Christmas, Christmas trees, Easter eggs, Processions, incense, and go back to dietary laws.

But as Paul says if it helps you praise God, it's okay. If it offends you, don't do it. But don't argue about it...he was discussing eating meat sold at temple butcheries (i.e. used in temple sacrifices) and arguments over the Sabbath and feast days (something that Catholics do but others like Seventh day Adventist disagree).

Usually the Catholics allow such things to go on unless they start destroying faith. This one sounds like it went "too far", but one would have to be a Hindu convert to say yes or no...

I am struck with the similarity of Filipino Catholicism with Thai Buddhism and Chinese pagan cultures...but then I am not sure the "pure" Protestantism here, with it's emphasis on honesty, hard work and making money, but not mercy toward the poor, is any closer to Jesus than the easy going Catholics who fiesta, give food to all at their celebrations, and overlook petty thievery by their very poor staff...

[Antioch]

The nun tried frantically to stop the demonstrators. “Get off the property! Get off the property!” she yelled. She ordered people not to take the article. “They don’t have Father’s permission. They are invading our church. They are strangers come to cause trouble.”

Likely it's one of the infamous eco-nuns from the Sisters of St. Joseph up on Bayview Avenue. They do frequent this out-of-control parish. Here's one of their events:

"Canticle to the Cosmos"

Explore the exciting new story of the Universe with a feeling for its sacred nature. (your new is our OLD sister...Pagan alert!)

"Set up a study group on ecology in your church" (A Pastoral Letter on the Christian Ecological Imperative, Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, October, 2003)

Where: At St. Ann's Parish Rectory, 120 First Avenue (Broadview and Gerrard)

To register contact Sister Janet Fraser, jfraser@csj-to.ca