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To: kerryusama04
It's obvious you are a legalist. There are two different laws mentioned.
The law of Moses with its rules and regulations was nailed to the cross.

Faith "establishes" the law of Christ, AKA known as the law of love. However, the law of Christ is very different than the law of Moses. Christians walk with the lawgiver, and hence are not under the law of Moses with it's rules and regulations. Against love there is no law.

I refuse to argue with a brick wall.
85 posted on 08/15/2006 4:08:31 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc
It's obvious you are a legalist. There are two different laws mentioned. The law of Moses with its rules and regulations was nailed to the cross.

Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Faith "establishes" the law of Christ, AKA known as the law of love. However, the law of Christ is very different than the law of Moses. Christians walk with the lawgiver, and hence are not under the law of Moses with it's rules and regulations. Against love there is no law.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

I refuse to argue with a brick wall.

Your argument is not with the wall, but the Word. Christianity is about faith. True faith leads to love. Love leads to obedience. Was Abraham saved because he thought about sacrificing his son, or was he saved when he demonstrated his faith by actually preparing to sacrifice his only son because God told him to.

If your son says he loves you, but then immediately and blatantly disobeys you, does he really love you?

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoreth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

97 posted on 08/15/2006 6:21:39 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: GarySpFc; kerryusama04
However, the law of Christ is very different than the law of Moses.

Not according to Him:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Mat. 5:17-19)
Nor according to the Jerusalem church:
"Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the Torah." (Acts 21:20)
Nor according to Sha'ul, aka Paul:
Do we then make void the Torah through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish (uphold, keep) the Torah. . . What shall we say then? Is the Torah sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the Torah. . . Wherefore the Torah is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Rom 3:31, 7:7 & 12)
Nowhere in the NT does Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ, or any Apostle say that the Torah has been done away with or nailed to the Cross--Sha'ul says that "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us" was nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14); not the Torah, but our bill of offenses against it. In the same way, he writes that Yeshua the Messiah "hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written" (Gal. 3:13).

In other words, the penalties, the curses, that the Torah pronounces against all who do not keep its every command all fell on Yeshua, being nailed to the Cross as a criminal's placard which told all his crimes. Because of this, those who trust in the Messiah are no longer "under the law"--that is, under its penalties, weighed down with the burden of attempting to keep it legalistically for fear of punishment. In a sense, we have been given "diplomatic immunity," and like a diplomat who is not under the law of the United States, can no longer be prosecuted for it.

However, just because an ambassador can claim immunity, does that mean that he should blatantly and flagrantly violate the laws of the country he is visiting? No. Neither should we who are ambassadors for the Messiah sin flagrantly--and where there is sin in our lives, we have the duty to repent of it, stop sinning.

So what defines sin? According to Sha'ul, the Torah still does (Rom. 7:7). Indeed, this is implicit in the very Hebrew words involved: Torah is the noun form of the Hebrew word yarah, which literally means "to hit the mark." Sin is chattah, which means "to miss the mark."

To one extent or another, all Christians recognize that much of the Torah is still in effect: After all, it is the Torah which commands us to "Love YHVH your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your might" and "Love your neighbor as yourself." When Yeshua said that all the Torah and Prophets hang on these two commandments, He was saying that every command of God is simply explaining how we should go about loving God and our fellow human beings. If we love our neighbor, how can we steal from him, murder him, or commit adultery with his wife?

Likewise, if we love God, should we not observe the times and rituals He told us to? Do not Christians observe baptism and the Lord's Supper out of love for Christ? Have not Christians petititioned the government in many counties to not allow liquor sales on Sunday--and in the past, to force a "sabbath" rest on Sunday--out of love for Christ?

How then can it be said that one who believes that God's Appointed Times--Sabbath, Passover, the Day of Atonement, etc.--and God's specific commands like wearing tassels with a blue thread at the corners of our clothing is somehow a legalist, while the Christian who observes Christmas and Easter (indeed, who has made them Federal holidays) and who wears a WWJD bracelet is not?

The argument is not over whether God has a Law that we are expected to follow even while we are under Grace--no one argues that under Grace we may murder freely--the argument is merely on the specific commands that make up that Torah.

104 posted on 08/15/2006 9:43:06 AM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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