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To: ScubieNuc
There's a lot here to deal with, but here we go!!!

1)Never commanded by Jesus, even with plenty of opportunities.

The sabbath commandment was written by Christ at Sinai, with his own finger, before he became incarnate.

2)Never mentioned as a sin in the New Testament when sins are listed (breaking the Sabbath that is)

Sure it is:

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The sabbath is part of God's law. Transgressing it is the same as idolatry or taking God's name in vain.

3)The other 9 commandments are rementioned in the New Testament, but the "Remember the Sabbath" is not.

Sure it is:

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

4)Moral laws are "written on the heart" (Ask any "lost tribesman" what murder is, and then ask what keeping the Sabbath is)

Every human alive was born a sinner. There is no moral law written on anyone's heart, except those who have God's holy spirit. The scripture you're referring to is describing this event.

5)Jesus "broke" the Sabbath (only in the Pharisee's eyes because the failed to recognize that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath). Read John 9:15 and ask yourself why Jesus did not speak against those accusations?

Jesus didn't break the sabbath. It's impossible for him to sin. He did violate manmade, hypocritical rules created and instituted by men, but he never broke the scriptural sabbath.

6)No where in the OT or NT is the Sabbath given for all mankind to keep perpetually. Rather it is given to a specific nation at a specific time until Christ. (Galatians 3:19)

You're right. Only those who worship the one, true God were commanded to keep the sabbath perpetually. In fact, God established a special covenant for this purpose:

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the sabbath in response to how long Jesus was in the grave, but I'm going to break this into two posts to separate the issues.

252 posted on 08/19/2006 4:26:31 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
"The sabbath commandment was written by Christ at Sinai, with his own finger, before he became incarnate. "

Sure, and Abraham was told by God to sacrifice Issac. So is that carried over to you and I? No, because of context. Jesus reiterated specifically the other commandments but not the Sabbath. You fail to recognize the context of the commandment.

"The sabbath is part of God's law."

Here again, the other commandments are SPECIFICALLY mentioned. Sabbath keeping is not.

"Sure it is:

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. "


The fact that you post this verse befuddles me. All this verse is saying is that the Jewish women were respecting their traditions. There is NO New Testament verse which says, "Breaking the Sabbath is a sin" or "Keep the Sabbath."

"There is no moral law written on anyone's heart, except those who have God's holy spirit."

Really?

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)


"Jesus didn't break the sabbath. It's impossible for him to sin."

I didn't say that he sinned. Read Matt. 12:1-4. Jesus explains that the rules of breaking the Sabbath didn't apply to the priests. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath and the disciples were like priests, therefore they could "break the Sabbath" rules. If the Sabbath does not bind Christ and if we are "in Christ", then the Sabbath does not bind us either.

Rom 8:1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


Keeping the Sabbath is a "flesh" thing. Loving God is a "spirit" thing.

" Only those who worship the one, true God were commanded to keep the sabbath perpetually. In fact, God established a special covenant for this purpose:

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.


Context. Read 31:12. The Lord spoke to Moses to speak to the children of Israel...This is a specific people. We are grafted into the line of Abraham, but how did that happen. Jesus (the Seed) came.

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19 ¶ Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


The law served UNTIL the seed (Jesus) came.

"I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the sabbath in response to how long Jesus was in the grave,"

I think you just forgot what started this. Kerryusama04 started in on Sabbath worship being a tradition we should keep. I responded. The "days in the grave" discussion is a side of that original "Sabbath" debate.

Sincerely
263 posted on 08/20/2006 7:01:35 AM PDT by ScubieNuc
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