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To: DouglasKC
You posted...."Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Note that the book of Luke was written 27 years after the death of Christ. The author matter of factly states, 27 years AFTER the death of Christ, that the women rested on the sabbath because of the commandment. The women obeyed this commandment and scripture explicity says that the sabbath is a commandment of God...27 years after the death of Christ."


Like I said before, that is the same broad logic Catholics use to justify Mary as having special intercessory powers.

Let's look at your verse in closer detail. Of course Jewish women would follow sabbath rules of their society. Would your wife wear a bathing suit to a funeral service? No, of course not. This deals with a womans place in society, obeying those in authority over you, respect to tradition, and the fact that they were Jews.

Exd 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exd 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Exd 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Exd 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant.

Exd 31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.


How do you equate "Children of Israel" to all Christians under Christ?

Next, you confuse the word rest with worship. Worship went on in the Temple and Tabernacle seven days a week (except for some national religious holidays). Where is the command to worship on Saturdays for Christians?

I will agree with you on one point, Sunday is not the Sabbath, Saturday is. Sunday is the first day of the week, as in 1 Cor. 16:2.

Sincerely
153 posted on 08/15/2006 8:10:22 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: ScubieNuc; DouglasKC
How do you equate "Children of Israel" to all Christians under Christ?

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Like I said before, that is the same broad logic Catholics use to justify Mary as having special intercessory powers.

Jesus' words actually contradict the worship of Mary:

Luk 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

So do Pauls':

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

As I have posted earlier, the Scriptures uphold the Sabbath from Genesis to Revelation. Your likening Sabbatarians to Catholics adds nothing to the discussion.

Next, you confuse the word rest with worship. Worship went on in the Temple and Tabernacle seven days a week (except for some national religious holidays). Where is the command to worship on Saturdays for Christians?

You are correct. Keeping the Sabbath holy does not require atending services. However, the tradition of attending sevices and fellowshipping with like minded Christians on the Sabbath is scriptural and I feel very healthy.

156 posted on 08/15/2006 8:29:54 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: ScubieNuc
Sunday is not the Sabbath, Saturday is. Sunday is the first day of the week, as in 1 Cor. 16:2

1 Corinthians 16:1-3. This verse corresponds to Romans 15:25 and also Acts 11:28. There was a severe famine in Judea (and the entire Roman world) during the reign of Claudius and Paul and Barnabas made an effort to take collections to the poor among the Saints in Jerusalem. These verses say nothing of a religious service being conducted on the first of the week....only that everyone should make a contribution then.

1 Corinthians 16:2 in the Greek. Notice that it doesn't even say....first day of the week. It says "First of week". Since the Sabbath ended at sundown these collections for the poor saints in Jerusalem just may have been collected after Sabbath services were over. Don't know because it really doesn't say......but it also doesn't say anything about a religious service here.

157 posted on 08/15/2006 9:00:11 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: ScubieNuc; kerryusama04
Exd 31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
How do you equate "Children of Israel" to all Christians under Christ?

If you are a Christian under the new covenant then you ARE a child of Israel because the new covenant was only made with Israel and Judah:

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

It is so important a concept that God saw fit that it was included in both the new testament AND the old testament:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Paul explains the concept of how we come into Israel in Romans 9. Here's an excerpt:

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Also in Romans 11 where Paul speaks about Gentiles being grafted into God's Israel.

So the sabbath commandment IS addressed to the children of Israel...of which every Christian is one.

Next, you confuse the word rest with worship. Worship went on in the Temple and Tabernacle seven days a week (except for some national religious holidays). Where is the command to worship on Saturdays for Christians?

Here:

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, a holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

A convocation is a holy public meeting of those who worship the one, true God. God commands his children, the children of Israel, to come together and have a holy meeting on the sabbath.

163 posted on 08/16/2006 6:19:52 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: ScubieNuc; Diego1618; Buggman; kerryusama04
Let's look at your verse in closer detail. Of course Jewish women would follow sabbath rules of their society. Would your wife wear a bathing suit to a funeral service? No, of course not. This deals with a womans place in society, obeying those in authority over you, respect to tradition, and the fact that they were Jews.

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

You made the statement that the sabbath commandment was not reiterated in the new testament. It is reiterated dozens of times. The point of posting Luke 23:56 was to show that the author 27 years after the death of Christ gives no indication that the sabbath was ever done away with. To the contrary, the new testament specifically addresses affirms that there is a sabbathkeeping for the children of God:

Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (Analytical-Literal Translation of the New Testament of the Holy Bible)

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.(American Standard Version)

Heb 4:9 So that there is still a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.(Bible in Basic English)

Heb 4:9 There remains then a sabbatism to the people of God. (Darby)

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a day of rest for the people of God.(Douay-Rheims)

Heb 4:9 Then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (English Majority Text Version)

Heb 4:9 So, then, there remains a sabbath rest to the people of God.(Green's Literal Translation)

Heb 4:9 There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God.(International Standard Version)

Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.(NASB)

The sabbath IS a weekly preview and reminder of the millenium, when Christ will return and rule the earth. It is the shadow of an event that has not yet happened.That is precisely WHY there is still a sabbath rest for the people of God.

164 posted on 08/16/2006 6:33:02 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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