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To: Eagle Eye
God is spirit and invisible. God is not a man, nor the son of Man and cannot be tempted.

God has no beginning or end. Jesus had a 'genesis' (beginning) at his birth although God knew about him in his (God's) foreknowledge."


So who was walking in the Garden in the cool of the day if God is invisible and Jesus wasn't born yet?

JM
78 posted on 08/16/2006 5:06:40 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM

You tell me.

1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

So if Jesus was God then no one saw him at any time. Go ahead, argue with me...you aren't arguing with me you are aruing with the Bible.

But if you can insist that one is three and three is one then you can invent any answer you like and just say it is so because you say it is so.

And you take the very verse used plainly to declare that the Lord God is one Lord and pervert it to make it three!

In a world of polytheism, Moses had to remind the Isrealites that unlike baal and ashteroth who were plural gods, Jehova was a SINGLE entity.

THere is one God, and God is one.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:


Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one

1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.


Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

THis passage says that if one believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Sent One, the Annointed One, then one is born of God. It doesn't say to believe that Jesus is God, but that Jesus is the one, the MAN that God sent.


Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


It doesn't say to believe that Jesus is God, but to believe that God raised Jesus from the dead!

THey are different. God is one. Jesus is the mediator between God and man.

And he is a man.


79 posted on 08/16/2006 4:31:10 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: JohnnyM; .30Carbine

Serious question:

Did Jesus Christ fulfull the passover?

1Cr 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:


This verse implies that Christ was the real passover lamb.

If so, he would have had to fulfill the requirements of the passover lamb, right?

Exd 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take [it] out from the sheep, or from the goats:


Jesus Christ was without spot or blemish, meaning sinless right?

Jesus Christ was a male, right?

He was of the first year....something I know we don't agree on but that is another discussion....

And he was taken from the herd, not raised separately, right?

And we all agree that not a bone in him was broken, right?

It is extremely important to realize that if Jesus Christ was not human then he did not fulfill the passover requirements! Adam was a human that sinned and the only suitable sacrifice to buy back mankind was another human!

That is why John puts so much emphasis on ensuring that believers 'confess' (Homologeo--believe with the innermost being what one says) that Jesus came in the flesh. If one actually believes that Jesus was less than human or was 'true god and true man' then they cannot confess that Jesus came in the flesh.

Without being a man, a perfect man, Jesus could not redeem mankind from the fallen state.

Yeah, it is that important.

That is why he had to be tempted in all ways like we humans are.

(Remember, God cannot be tempted, but Jesus was tempted!)

He overcame temptation because we couldn't. And still can't!

It is the works of Christ that allow us access to God.




81 posted on 08/16/2006 5:12:37 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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