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To: Eagle Eye
But I can and have shown mulitple flaws in the reasoning of three being really one; frequent contradictions to the Bible with the notion of Jesus being God and Flesh; and just plain loss of common sense! If Jesus is God then who did he pray to? Who did God call his beloved son? If Jesus is God, then no one saw him because God is invisible...

Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father? Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works (John 14: 9-10).

53 posted on 08/13/2006 6:50:24 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Pyro7480

Have some common sense man!

Jesus had all of God's authority.

Jesus so perfectly represented God his Father that he was ables to tell people that if you've seen me, you've seen him.

He certainly wasn't trying to pass himself off as the Father!

It is not much different than a Father-Son business with the son running things and telling people that they don't need to see dad, he can take care of it all.

Remember what Jesus told his disciples?

Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.


So believers are going to do the same works that Jesus did and even greater.

If Jesus was God, he was promising that his believers would then do greater works than God.

But that isn't what he was promising, was it?


56 posted on 08/13/2006 7:10:33 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Pyro7480; Eagle Eye; the-ironically-named-proverbs2; kerryusama04; Jeremiah Jr; Diego1618
From your quote of John 14: 9-10:

The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works

How that becomes a defense for the trinity is... quite odd. :-/

59 posted on 08/13/2006 9:18:24 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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