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To: Buggman
It wouldn't kill me, but since it apparently hasn't been driven home with everyone here that the Bible is a fundamentally Jewish document (even those parts written in Greek), I'm going to continue to use Hebraisms until it has.

My objection would be the same if you were utilizing superfluous Greek too. It's pretentious. Everyone has heard of the Apostle Paul. Only because of the novelty of faux-Hebraisms does anyone refer to him as Sha'ul.

defined as those who were then enemies of the Gospel and who yet were still beloved of God for the sake of the patriarchs, both of which rule out that "Israel" here really means "the Church"

Not necessarily. They've been broken off, we've been ingrafted, those elected will be grafted in again - to the same tree - the church.

96 posted on 08/10/2006 7:49:55 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24
Only because of the novelty of faux-Hebraisms does anyone refer to him as Sha'ul.

That's not why I do it, but believe as you will.

Not necessarily. They've been broken off, we've been ingrafted, those elected will be grafted in again - to the same tree - the church.

You still ignore Sha'ul's point: All of the same Israel which is currently enemy to the Gospel, which is currently blinded in part until the full number of the Gentiles have entered Yeshua's Ekklesia--"Israel of the flesh," if you prefer such terminology--and which throughout chapters 9-11 is spoken of in contrast to the Church, will be saved.

Unless you are prepared to show that the Church is blinded in part and the enemy of the Gospel because of the Gentiles, there's no other conclusion one can reach from this text.

115 posted on 08/10/2006 8:58:27 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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