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To: jude24; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; xzins
Lil 'ol OP can't do anything that isn't there. The cross is already a stumbling block to the unconverted Jewish people - as it is to all natural men. 1Co. 1 is explicit on that.

Oh, baloney. The fact that there is already one stumbling block in the way--one natural to all men--doesn't mean that one cannot by their behavior set up more in the road, or else Sha'ul's words in Romans 14 become meaningless.

That's like saying that just because it's hard to scale a mountain, it's impossible for the act of pouring slippery oil all over the climber's path to make it any more difficult.

Alex Murphy is 100% correct - if it weren't for the dispensational fetish for the Jews, this would be a non-issue.

Ah, because of course there was no such thing as anti-Semetic Christian rhetoric before Dispensationalism showed up in the 1800s. Of course, it's all so clear now.

As for Alex being correct, we'll have to wait for him to define his terms to come to any conclusion on that (see posts #55 and 37).

65 posted on 08/10/2006 4:48:09 PM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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To: Buggman; jude24; OrthodoxPresbyterian
As for Alex being correct, we'll have to wait for him to define his terms to come to any conclusion on that (see posts #55 and 37).

You'll have to wait a little longer, I'm afraid. Thanks to jude24, my head is swelled up so huge that I'm having trouble reaching the keyboard!

But seriously, I was specifically alluding to certain proponents of dispensationalism (IIRC Hagee being one) who intentionally avoid evangelizing to the Jews in order to "bless Israel" in some other way, and alluding to a larger group of proponents (Lindsey among others) who IMHO act as if modern-day Israel is accountable to any ethical/Biblical standards, even Old Covenant ones.

My view is that Jews - like every other unbelieving people on Earth - need to fall at Christ's feet and acknowledged Him as Lord, and need to repent of their sins. There is no salvific benefit for them in being racially Jewish, except in the knowledge available to them via their (prior) covenantal history and experiences with their Maker. They will have to repent and bow to Christ in the same way as we all have to repent and bow to Christ. Keeping the old customs has no merit for them. In fact, by keeping the traditions and laws while still denying their Lord, their own culture IMO serves as a covenantal witness against them. Meanwhile, (some) dispensationalists teach that by keeping the OT laws, they are not required to bend the knee to Christ like the rest of us. And that is the dual-redemptive plan that I was speaking against earlier.

68 posted on 08/10/2006 5:19:11 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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