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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim:

Afterward shall the children of Israel return, {{WE ARE RIGHT HERE TODAY}} and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.


Hosea 3:4-5
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OP, is the Church the "children of Israel" in this passage? Sure sounds like ethnic Jews since they had a king, prince, etc. at one time and then were without it.

 

 

What's the "many days" reference between the children of Israel (the Church in your eschatology). When did the Church ever lose their King, prince, priesthood, etc.  Sure seems to me the children of Israel speaks of the physical seed of Abraham.

-- your "God-Damned dispensationalism" believing pal

49 posted on 08/10/2006 3:41:20 PM PDT by rabid liberty (pray for the peace of Jerusalem -- psa. 122:6)
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To: rabid liberty; Buggman; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg
I fear I must object to your Dispensationalist habit of attributing "Israel Promises" to Ethnic Jews, even after Pentecost, when Saint Paul has already established in Romans 9 that all Post-Pentecost "Israel Promises" are intended BY GOD to be interpreted as applying to the spiritual Seed, i.e., The Church.

Meaning no disrespect, does Romans 9 mean nothing to you? Howzabout all the other Verses in the New Testament which establish the Church as "God's Israel"?

You must remember -- the Church has always been Israel. Israel has always been the Church.

I must confess my curiosity -- if you don't care to interpret the Old Testament Prophecies in the Light of the New Testament Exposition, then why aren't you Jewish? I'm not following you...

Anyway...

As far as the Verses themselves:

For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim: Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

Hosea was written in about 750 BC. In other words, this passage may very well refer to the restoration of Jerusalem after the Assyrian and Babylonian captivity, not any imaginary apocalyptic application.

In this question (as in many others), are Dispensationalists in the business of denying that God has fulfilled His Prophecy?

Oh, right... they are.

53 posted on 08/10/2006 4:06:51 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: rabid liberty; OrthodoxPresbyterian
It doesn't get any clearer.

I pray that the Holy Spirit opens the eyes of those who choose to ignore the entirety of scripture, and choose to uphold the interpretation of a man over God's willingness to personally instruct.

To reinforce the point:

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

101 posted on 08/10/2006 8:00:07 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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