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DISPENSATIONALIST "CHRISTIAN" ZIONISM -- Is there now "neither Jew nor Gentile", or not?
KennethGentry.Com, "Dispensational Distortions" ^ | 2004 | Kenneth Gentry (and OP)

Posted on 08/10/2006 12:22:56 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian

A Young Fool encounters Foolishness

Once upon a time, I was but a wee child in Reformed Theology, taking my first baby-steps into the beautiful Cathedral of Calvinism as a young Debater for Jerry Falwell's world-beating Liberty Debate Team (Our Creed: "Defeat Harvard. Defeat Navy. Defeat American Catholic. Defeat everyone. Crush them all, every time, no exceptions. Win every single National Championship, every year.... because as long as we Calvinists keep winning, Jerry won't excommunicate us for being Calvinists!!".)

Since a Debater is always expected to be able to immediately argue either side of any given question, I spent a lot of time in the local used book-store picking up various books on philosophy and theology and politics and economics... anything I could get my dirt-poor hands on for $2 or $3 dollars a copy. Anything to familiarize myself with multiple intellectual perspectives and multiple modes of argumentation.

Now, in the course of my researches, I happened across a little book entitled War Cycles, Peace Cycles by Richard Kelly Hoskins of Lynchburg, Virginia, regarding the short and long-term economic effects of Monetary Expansions and Contractions in the context of fractional-reserve lending. Hoskins was by no means an uneducated fellow (a capable Financial Advisor and Econometricist, some of his works are still occasionally cited today), but I was singularly disturbed by several passages in which he seemed to suggest a Racial component to Fractional-Reserve Lending (which he called "the Babylon System") versus his contrary suggestions for Joint-Venture Lending.

One passage which stood out in my mind read as follows:

The further I read, the more it was apparent to me that Hoskins regarded "Israel" as The White Race, the Adamic Race descended through Abraham, and that all Non-Whites were considered to him to be zuwr "strangers": Pagans at worst, "Samaritan" Christians at best... but never "Israel".

And so, being the young fool that I was, I did what any young fool would do... I looked Dick Hoskins up in the Lynchburg, Virginia phone book, and called him at his house.

I asked him what he would make of my spiritual position -- a Confessing Christian by Faith, mostly Prussian German by Ethnicity, but with a little 1/16 smidgen of Sioux Nation mixed in 3 or 4 generations back on my mother's side.

Hoskins informed me, quite cordially and without any rancor whatsoever, that God considered me to be a mixed-breed Bastard and that "A Bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD." (Deuteronomy 23:2) He advised me to marry "one of my own kind".

Well, I decided at that point (even before I knew him to be the godfather of the "Phinehas Priesthood", the most violent expression of the Christian Identity movement) that even if he was a good money-runner, Dick Hoskins' theology was a barrel full of wet, smelly, foolish Scheißdreck, with which I would have no truck whatsoever. The Christian Creed is this: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28, KJV).

Unfortunately, however, "Christian Identity" (derived not from pagan Nazism but rather from its bastard godfather, British Israelism) is not the only theology which Racially divides the Body of Christ into Jew and Gentile, "Israel" and "Not-Israel", Blood and Blood-lines.

Dispensational Zionist Foolishness

The future dispensational kingdom involves a racial prejudice favoring the Jews above even saved Gentiles during the millennium. As such it re-introduces the distinction between Jew and Gentile and replaces Faith with Race as a basis for divine favor. Consider the following citations from leading dispensationalists: (DISPENSATIONAL DISTORTIONS PART TWO, Redemptive History Distortions ~~ Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., Th.D.)

However, with the establishment of the New Testament phase of the Church, the distinction between Jew and Gentile has been abolished. This was the whole point of Peter's vision of the sheet filled with unclean animals in Acts 10: "What God has called clean, let no man call unclean." Thus, there is no separate Jewish program exalting them over saved Gentiles. THE CHURCH, which includes Jew and Gentile in one body, is the fruition and culmination of God's promises to the Jews. In evidence of this, we should note that Christians are called by distinctively Jewish names in the New Testament. "He is a Jew, which is one inwardly" (Rom. 2:29). Christians are called "the circumcision" (Phil. 3:3), "the children" and "the seed of Abraham" (Gal. 3:7, 29), the "Jerusalem which is above" and the "children of the promise" (Gal. 4:24-29). In fact, Christians compose "the Israel of God" for we are a "new creature" regarding which "circumcision availeth nothing" (Gal. 6:16).

Comparing Foolishness with Foolishness

In closing, I ask only (according to the Hebrew logical-interpretive method of "how much the more?")... if the heretical British-Israel/Christian-Identity Racialists pervert True Christianity by dividing the People of God along Racial lines, then how much the more do Dispensationalists also pervert the Word of God and divide the People of God along equally Racialist lines?

Consider the following:



Those aren't Quotations from Richard Kelly Hoskins... granted, they may sound like Christian Identity quotations, but they aren't.

These are nothing less than direct quotations from the leading lights of Dispensationalism in America -- Ryrie, Pentecost, Walvoord, Hoyt, Hunt, Thomas Ice. (I could've quoted Hagee, I suppose, but the man is absolutely freakin' nutbar).

All that I did was to replace "Israel" with "The White Race", and replace "Gentiles" with "Non-Whites".
Does Dispensationalist "theology" destroy the Racial equality of the Body of Christ? What you see is what you get.

God Damn all Racial Theology.


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To: .30Carbine
And how I thank God for making you, dearest sister in Christ, who is ever faithful to Him in all your testmony and witness!

All thanks and praise be to God the Father, and to His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, in Whom we live and move and have our being.

901 posted on 09/09/2006 7:14:23 PM PDT by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; cornelis; .30Carbine; Whosoever
[ As .30Carbine has reminded us, the answer is “heard,” and what is heard is by the grace of God speaking to souls. ]

"The Observer" then observes with his eyes and ears.. and probably detects odors too.. Then.. a proper observation takes into account what is "seen", "heard", and "smelt";)... Whether metaphorically observed or sensually observed just "seeing" something is a poor observation...

902 posted on 09/09/2006 7:22:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: Quix
Quix we have been freeper friends for a long time in cyber space. I want to mental fence the other side of this issue. Only just this morning Hubby told me I was almost being blasphemous to the Jews(Jews, the word no one says out loud).

I have believed YOUR side my whole life and you know no later then a year ago I would be right beside you on this issue looking for a sign. What we have both been seeking may be right in front of us and it is coming to us in Knowledge.
So let talk just like we are sitting in one of our living rooms. You and I will not have a flame war, ok,OK.




I still think that the major thing about The descendants of Jacob is that they are A FULFILLMENT OF GOD'S PROMISE, COMMITMENT, COVENANT to HIS BUDDY, HIS FRIEND, Abraham.


Abraham is one of the best-known people of the Bible. He's a key figure in the history of both the Jewish and Arab people. He was the great-grandfather of Judah, whose descendants became known as the Jews, and he was also the father of Ishmael, from whom many of the Arab people are descended. Abraham was a Hebrew, and although the ancestor of both, Abraham himself was neither Jew nor Arab.
!!!!!!GOD fulfilled his COVENANT with Abraham.

From two other people come two other very well-known identities: Israelites are the descendants of Isaac's son Jacob, who God renamed Israel, and from Jacob's son Judah come the terms Jew and Jewish.

So how do all of these designations relate to the people involved?


The term Shemite is derived from Noah's son Shem.

The term Hebrew is derived from Shem's descendant Eber. Eber was a Shemite, and the first Hebrew, but not an Israelite or a Jew because neither existed yet.

Abraham was Eber's descendant. Abraham was a Shemite and a Hebrew, but not an Israelite or a Jew because neither existed yet.

Isaac was Abraham's son. Isaac was a Shemite and a Hebrew, but not an Israelite or a Jew because neither existed yet.

Jacob, who God renamed Israel, was Isaac's son. Jacob was a Shemite and a Hebrew, but not a Jew because Jews originated with his son Judah. The first Israelites were the children of Jacob.

Judah was one of Jacob's twelve sons (see Children of Jacob and The Tribes Of Israel). Judah was a Shemite, a Hebrew, and an Israelite. The first Jews were the children of Judah. The descendants of the other eleven of Jacob's sons were not Jews, but were themselves named accordingly e.g. from Levi came the Levites, from Benjamin came the Benjamites and so on.
A vitally important fact in understanding Bible Prophecy is that while all Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. All are Hebrews, but only the descendants of Judah are Jews. Many prophecies apply specifically to the Jewish people of today, while other prophecies apply specifically to the descendants of the other so-called "lost" tribes of Israel



Further, thaty God is using them as a super illustration to mankind and then to ALL Creation of many things about God's priorities, Majesty, Grandeur, Grace.
*******GOD did that very thing in the OT.



Certainly He will use the Church similarly but The Church is still "merely" GRAFTED IN. We were not the original main branch.
*******When you are talking about being grafted in , you are in the NT NOT the OT after The Cross and after Acts into Romans 11.

What/Who would you say is the root to this tree?

In Acts remember the disciples were speaking in ALL languages and the people thought the disciples were drunk? On one day 3000 people were saved, can you show me that these people are JUST of the descendants of Jacob.

Jesus came taught of the Kingdom of Heaven, Died and Rose on the third day, THE LAST BLOOD CONVENT and the beginning of Mercy and Grace through Faith of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.

Look at these scriptures, the veil is split and an earthquake which I think just might had covered up the Arc of the Convent(just speculation on my part nothing to back this up)
Matthew 27
50And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

51And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.

!!!!!!!!Jesus said HE came to fulfill the Law not to destroy it. What do you think the Law is? I think it is Love.
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
and....
Romans 13:8
Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.


Just as God forgives us our shortcomings as we persist in our faith in Him; confess, repent etc. . . . God is able to forgive Jacob's descendants according to HIS SCRIPT in HIS TIME.
*******This was fulfilled on The Cross. All sin past, present and future are forgiven At The Cross. Even though I can't wrap my mind around that, it is a fact.



Doesn't mean an alternate route to salvation though I don't know how to persuade the naysayers of that. It's just a fact. Just because we don't understand the mediculous.

*******What does mediculous mean? LOL

Certainly we are all still equal before The Cross.

Certainly The Cross is still the fulcrum of all history and all creation.
*******What does fulcrum mean? I don't like all these new fancy words people are using to describe religion Calvinsomebody, Dis-something, Replacementsomething. LOL JOKING
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But God is a long way from being done using the descendants as an object lesson; an illustration; an embellishment of His Glory. An abundance of yet-to-be-fulfilled Scriptural prophecies make that super clear.

Who are these descendants? We are all children of GOD.
When the rest of prophecy is fulfilled we will have sky-box seats singing Praise's to GOD Almighty.

I pray what I have said above is from the Holy Spirit teaching me and I am not off the wall, because I couldn't see this a year ago. It has been heavy on my heart for about 6 months now.

The only book I have read other than my bible is "All the Messianic Prophecies of the Bible" by Herbert Lockyer. Lockyer has a whole series of books. If anyone knows if this is good or bad let me know and why.

I think I came away from reading this book with a whole understanding of Jesus Christ. You should read it.
You are still one of my best Freeper Friends even when we disagree.

Quix you have been looking for signs and changes, well I have done a 180. Please coincided all of the above in the spirit of SEEKING HIS FACE AND LOVE.
Blessing and May the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY share some knowledge with us both ;0
LUB
j
903 posted on 09/09/2006 7:46:07 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (John 16:...33In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.")
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

THANKS DAVEY.

Am humbled by your kind words.

Will try and get back to it tomorrow.

I would ask you to prayerfull consider . . .

What 3 specific END TIMES BIBLICAL PROPHECIES could be fulfilled which would confirm to you emphatically your hubby's & my perspective and against that of the contrarian replacementarians?

Such as the 3rd Temple being rebuilt or whatever--3 things?

I understand an expert tonight on the radio was estimating that we could be a cashless society with the Mark of The Beast within 10 years. That the Federal Reserve is already 100% cashless.


904 posted on 09/09/2006 8:11:22 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And with that single verse we dispatch the foolish and anti-Scriptural deceit that directs the rebuilding of an actual temple.

God forbid.


Hi Dr been a while! I am on another thread World Terrorism all the time and got Quixs ping to this thread.

They can build all the temples they want, what scares me is a blood sacrifice.
905 posted on 09/09/2006 8:13:01 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (John 16:...33In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.")
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To: Quix
Will do have to go see what granny is up to tonight. I already have 2 from Romans and Acts.
Will get back to you tomorrow.
LUB
j
906 posted on 09/09/2006 8:23:54 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (John 16:...33In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD

"And with that single verse we dispatch the foolish and anti-Scriptural deceit that directs the rebuilding of an actual temple."

I agree. I just don't understand why the Thompson publishing people keep trying to sneak the 40-48 chapters on to the end of Ezekiel. I mean all that trouble measuring a Temple and city that is just fantasy. One would think Ezekiel had better things to do than waste his time with this "deceit".

By the way, another problem I have is why the Jerusalem Church and Paul were still offering sacrifices (burnt and sin)in the Temple over thirty years after the resurrection and after Hebrews was written. Do you suppose they didn't get the letter to the Hebrews?

Another problem that is bothering me is why I am still up at this late hour?


907 posted on 09/09/2006 8:55:02 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; DAVEY CROCKETT
I agree. I just don't understand why the Thompson publishing people keep trying to sneak the 40-48 chapters on to the end of Ezekiel. I mean all that trouble measuring a Temple and city that is just fantasy.

Is it literal or figurative? See here.

By the way, another problem I have is why the Jerusalem Church and Paul were still offering sacrifices ...

Well, first of all there is no indication the "Jerusalem church" was still offering temple sacrifices "thirty years" after the resurrection.

Do you suppose they didn't get the letter to the Hebrews?

No, they just didn't read more into Paul actions than was there.

We know very well why Paul was found in the temple at time, though it was not recorded as being "thirty years". He did it in limited cases in order to win his brothers Jews to Christ. Paul testifies himself:

"and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;" (1 Cor. 9:20).

We know that Paul placed no faith in the sacrifices themselves.

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service." (Rom. 12:1)

As the writer of Hebrews said:

For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. (Heb. 9:1-6)

But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, (Heb. 10:12)

Paul knew that the earthly temple is Jerusalem was no more of interest in the kingdom of Christ. That what matters was the "third temple" which was the body of Christ being raised up even in that and continuting until He returns.

"If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." (1 Cor. 3:17)

Besides, it would be dispensationally inconsistent for Paul to still be offering sacrifices after the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. He was now in the "church age", the dispensation of grace. The kingdom ordinances of Israel were put on hold and the clock had stopped ticking. Paul knew that, right?

908 posted on 09/09/2006 9:21:15 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: hosepipe; betty boop
Betty boop mentioned "the mystery of being," and you, Pipe, have mentioned senses of being: sight, sound, smell. I've watched again recently the classic The Bells of St. Mary's starring Bing Crosby. He sings a very thankful happy tune in the middle of the movie all about these senses - to see, to hear, to smell, to taste, to touch...to be. He first recorded the song on this very date in 1945:

AREN'T YOU GLAD YOU'RE YOU
(Johnny Burke / James Van Heusen)

Every time you're near a rose
Aren't you glad you've got a nose
And if the dawn is fresh with dew
Aren't you glad you're you

When a meadowlark appears
Aren't you glad you've got two ears
And if your heart is singin' too
Aren't you glad you're you

You can see a summer sky
Or touch a friendly hand
Or taste an apple pie
Pardon the grammar, but ain't life grand

And when you wake up each morn
Aren't you glad that you were born
Think what you've got the whole day through!
Aren't you glad you're you


909 posted on 09/09/2006 10:12:21 PM PDT by .30Carbine (May God Be The Glory!)
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To: blue-duncan
Another problem that is bothering me is why I am still up at this late hour?

LOL - I know why I'm up. Knowing why doesn't stop the problem from bothering me (in my case, a cat ;)

910 posted on 09/09/2006 10:18:54 PM PDT by .30Carbine (May God Be The Glory!)
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To: .30Carbine; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; cornelis; Whosoever
Lovely song... gratitude is awareness.. However grateful you are to that degree you are aware.. When the gratitude leaks out(of us) and it does on occasion.. We become less aware..

Again with the "observer".. For what is awareness except our observations?..

911 posted on 09/09/2006 10:33:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: blue-duncan; topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; 1000 silverlings; DAVEY CROCKETT
I agree. I just don't understand why the Thompson publishing people keep trying to sneak the 40-48 chapters on to the end of Ezekiel. I mean all that trouble measuring a Temple and city that is just fantasy.

By the way, another problem I have is why the Jerusalem Church and Paul were still offering sacrifices (burnt and sin)in the Temple over thirty years after the resurrection and after Hebrews was written.


912 posted on 09/10/2006 3:58:09 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Christ will return to set up a physical Kingdom (Kingdom of Heaven), now His Kingdom is spiritual (Kingdom of God)"

True dat!

JM
913 posted on 09/10/2006 5:17:02 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM; fortheDeclaration
However, I dont know if I necessarily subscribe to the Kingdom of Heaven vs Kingdom of God dichotomy, I do agree with the general priniciple which is that He is coming to set up a physical Kingdom and that He is currently reigning in our hearts (the Spiritual Kingdom).

I will say that the Bible does use its word's carefully. Every word is there for a reason. So those who blow of Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven as the same thing may be doing themselves a disservice.

JM
914 posted on 09/10/2006 5:26:02 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: HarleyD; blue-duncan; topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; 1000 silverlings; ...
Will the temple be rebuilt? I don't know. Perhaps.

The question is, "will a temple be rebuilt?" Cuz we know the temple of God is being built up. It consists of His saints, the body of Christ. We are the true "third temple" of God. We are what is pictured in Ezekiel 40-48. Not the carnal structure that men might construct in the middle east. But the universal new Jerusalem with Christ at the center, our Holy of Holies.

But there remains no longer a sacrifice of men. God will not be any more pleased if they start sacrificing billy goats in a prefabbed theater than if a person burns incense to Buddha.

He will not be pleased at all. It will be an abomination, like the temples of China or Salt Lake City.

915 posted on 09/10/2006 6:49:21 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: JohnnyM; fortheDeclaration; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; TomSmedley; ...
So those who blow of Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven as the same thing may be doing themselves a disservice.

Would you care to explain Jesus' use of the phrases in Matthew 19:23,24:

Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
I'm sure there must be a simple answer that rationaizes things for the "kingdom of heaven"/"kingdom of God" dichotomists.
916 posted on 09/10/2006 6:54:02 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; 1000 silverlings
The question is, "will a temple be rebuilt?" Cuz we know the temple of God is being built up.

That is a excellent correction. Believers are the temple of God.

917 posted on 09/10/2006 10:36:37 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; fortheDeclaration; Quix; ladyinred

I will read it, thank you topcat. One thing people here are also missing, and it is crucial, is that God's plan for Israel was for God and God alone to be their national leader. Only after they clamored for a king did God let them have Saul and that was to teach them a lesson. David was different, a man after God's own heart.


918 posted on 09/10/2006 10:56:38 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (why is it so difficult to understand?)
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To: ladyinred; Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54; HarleyD; DAVEY CROCKETT; Quix; fortheDeclaration
So you think the falling away hasn't already occurred?

Ladyinred you ask the difficult questions, but I thank God for you!

You make me think.

Falling away comes from the Hebrew word apostasy, and means "to stumble, to err from the truth, to stand firm".

Christ of course is the cornerstone that causes and has caused many to stumble, one group in particular, so yes there has been a falling away.

What Christians have to do, is contend for the faith, (read Jude) seek the truth earnestly, search the scriptures diligently like Bereans and see if the things that your teachers tell you are true. Never be afraid to ask them anything, and expect an answer. Thank you .

919 posted on 09/10/2006 11:22:14 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (why is it so difficult to understand?)
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To: topcat54; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings
The question is, "will a temple be rebuilt?" Cuz we know the temple of God is being built up. It consists of His saints, the body of Christ. We are the true "third temple" of God. We are what is pictured in Ezekiel 40-48. Not the carnal structure that men might construct in the middle east. But the universal new Jerusalem with Christ at the center, our Holy of Holies.

AMEN!

I can understand enemies of Christianity arguing this point. But it's very puzzling when Christians maintain that a physical third temple must be built.

Jesus Christ and all who love Him are the third temple.

To build another temple with brick and stone seems to clearly deny Scripture...

"Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. " -- 1 Peter 2:5-8

Some are "lively stones" building up the Son's kingdom, and some trip over this stone and are offended by it.

And for good measure, Peter the Calvinist adds..."being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed."

As God wills, "that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth (Romans 9:11)."

920 posted on 09/10/2006 11:28:44 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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