Posted on 08/10/2006 12:22:56 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
Hello???!
OF COURSE
Geneology charts have nothing to do with Salvation given the New Covenant.
But the point is irrelevant.
Has nothing to do AT THIS POINT, POST CROSS AND RESURRECTION, WITH
GOD'S PROMISE TO HIS BUDDY ABRAHAM.
My sub lapsed to Christianity Today. Sometimes catch it at the bookstore.
It's all about Him.
YES.
AND
PART
of it being about Him is it being about
HIS DELIGHT IN GLORIFYING HIMSELF IN HIS CHOSEN BLOOD ISRAEL.
Very well put on all points I readily recall.
the mercy of Christ risen.
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I think I missed that in the posts somewhere. Maybe some read between the lines better than I do.
It is hard to see how that secular, unbelieving State of Israel can possibly be a fulfillment of those prophecies.
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Stay tuned.
God is not finished with them yet.
Nor us, mercifully.
You invented it to fit your theology.
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Not at all. I find it plainly and abundantly clear in Scripture.
And flippant answers only serve to prove your poor grasp of biblical theology.
I really don't know why I bother responding to you. Eventually you toss out something stupid and crawl under a rock.
I'm done. Don't call me ...
Certainly.
But that's not the point.
That's irrelevant
to what God has been doing; is doing; will do with Blood Israel in our era.
Kind, thoughtful, personal compliments are warmly received.
Thanks.
We are blood Israel.
Abraham was saved by the same way you and I are saved -- the shed blood of Christ.
Amen! By the shed blood of Christ through a circumcision of the heart.
Only through The Blood of Christ--which is the most important sense in most senses.
But I didn't mean that. What I meant was clear and well known.
I mean and meant by "Blood Israel" genetic flesh and blood descendants of
ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB.
I will continue to mean that.
Folks can use whatever dictionary they wish. But, if they wish to converse with me about that phrase, then I'll only construe it in the sense that I mean it.
I suppose one could say that . . . depending. But it's a bit of an extrapolation.
Scripture teaches that Abraham was saved by FAITH--in God and what God said and promised TO HIM, personally, FRIEND TO FRIEND.
A crucial point re our future but a more or less totally irrelevant point vis a vis what God is doing with Blood Israel in our era.
I cannot even IMAGINE the TULIP position coming to adequate and effective terms with the 12 Patriarchs on their thrones in Heaven; in Eternity; in The Millenium.
Makes no sense for that to be real from what I can remotely understand and infer from the position elaborated on so extensively and pontifically above.
If, therefore, an O.T. prophecy of blessing, intended for the true Israel (that "holy nation" of 1 Pet. 2:9), be interpreted as applying to "Israel after the flesh," the interpretation is not "literal" (i.e., according to the letter) except in the sense in which "the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" (2 Cor. 3:6); for obviously in this case the "literal" interpretation destroys the prophecy completely. And it is specially to be noted that, in the passage from which this Scripture is quoted, Paul is explaining the great differences between the Old Covenant (which was of the letter) and the New Covenant (of the Spirit); and, moreover, he is comparing the ministry of Moses, which had to do with things that are seen (an earthly sanctuary and its vessels of service, animal sacrifices, etc.), with the ministry of himself and others whom God had made "able ministers of the New Covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit." Also it should be noted that the apostle there speaks of the Old Covenant (under which promises were made to the natural Israel) as "that which is done away"; whereas the New Covenant is "that which remaineth," that is, abideth eternally (v. 11).From this Scripture alone it is evident (and the same truth is set forth at greater length in Gal. 4:21-31 and Hebrews Chapters VIII-X) that all future promises of glory and blessing for Israel and Zion must belong to the true Israel and the heavenly Zion. And, in this very passage, we are admonished to "look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen" (4:18); which admonition, however, is habitually disregarded in the interpretation of prophecies relating to these very subjects.
We ask the reader specially to note that in the above quoted passage, the apostle speaks of the old covenant as "that which is done away" (v. 11), "that which is abolished" (v. 13). This shows that the old covenant, under which the earthly nation of Israel had been constituted, was already, in Paul's day, a thing of the past.
The Hope of Israel by Philip Mauro (1922)
(1922)
I can extend a lot more grace for his ignorance given it was before Israel becoming a nation again in 1948.
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