DISPENSATIONALIST "CHRISTIAN" ZIONISM -- Is there now "neither Jew nor Gentile", or not?

KennethGentry.Com, "Dispensational Distortions" ^ | 2004 | Kenneth Gentry (and OP)

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

A Young Fool encounters Foolishness

Once upon a time, I was but a wee child in Reformed Theology, taking my first baby-steps into the beautiful Cathedral of Calvinism as a young Debater for Jerry Falwell's world-beating Liberty Debate Team (Our Creed: "Defeat Harvard. Defeat Navy. Defeat American Catholic. Defeat everyone. Crush them all, every time, no exceptions. Win every single National Championship, every year.... because as long as we Calvinists keep winning, Jerry won't excommunicate us for being Calvinists!!".)

[Dr. Jerry Falwell personally thinks that Calvinism is Heresy. He also doesn't care, as long as we Win.]

Since a Debater is always expected to be able to immediately argue either side of any given question, I spent a lot of time in the local used book-store picking up various books on philosophy and theology and politics and economics... anything I could get my dirt-poor hands on for $2 or $3 dollars a copy. Anything to familiarize myself with multiple intellectual perspectives and multiple modes of argumentation.

Now, in the course of my researches, I happened across a little book entitled War Cycles, Peace Cycles by Richard Kelly Hoskins of Lynchburg, Virginia, regarding the short and long-term economic effects of Monetary Expansions and Contractions in the context of fractional-reserve lending. Hoskins was by no means an uneducated fellow (a capable Financial Advisor and Econometricist, some of his works are still occasionally cited today), but I was singularly disturbed by several passages in which he seemed to suggest a Racial component to Fractional-Reserve Lending (which he called "the Babylon System") versus his contrary suggestions for Joint-Venture Lending.

One passage which stood out in my mind read as follows:

Take Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up the word "Man". Then, turn to the Hebrew section in the back of the concordance to locate the word for "man" which is "Adam". You will find that the word "adam" (Man) is used hundreds of times throughout the Bible. Under "man" locate the verse "In the beginning God created man", or "adam", as an example. The word "adam" is not just another name like John or Bob. "Adam" is the Hebrew word meaning "to turn rosy", or "to blush red" (Strong's number 119). A better translation of the above verse "In the beginning God created man" would be - "In the beginning God created 'he who blushes red'... (The White Race)" ~~ Hoskins, "War Cycles, Peace Cycles", page 20-21 (bolded explanation mine)

The further I read, the more it was apparent to me that Hoskins regarded "Israel" as The White Race, the Adamic Race descended through Abraham, and that all Non-Whites were considered to him to be zuwr "strangers": Pagans at worst, "Samaritan" Christians at best... but never "Israel".

And so, being the young fool that I was, I did what any young fool would do... I looked Dick Hoskins up in the Lynchburg, Virginia phone book, and called him at his house.

I asked him what he would make of my spiritual position -- a Confessing Christian by Faith, mostly Prussian German by Ethnicity, but with a little 1/16 smidgen of Sioux Nation mixed in 3 or 4 generations back on my mother's side.

Hoskins informed me, quite cordially and without any rancor whatsoever, that God considered me to be a mixed-breed Bastard and that "A Bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD." (Deuteronomy 23:2) He advised me to marry "one of my own kind".

(I guess I have now violated the Law of God, a German-Sioux mixed-breed Bastard like me marrying a Pure Scottish White Woman.)

Well, I decided at that point (even before I knew him to be the godfather of the "Phinehas Priesthood", the most violent expression of the Christian Identity movement) that even if he was a good money-runner, Dick Hoskins' theology was a barrel full of wet, smelly, foolish Scheißdreck, with which I would have no truck whatsoever. The Christian Creed is this: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28, KJV).

Unfortunately, however, "Christian Identity" (derived not from pagan Nazism but rather from its bastard godfather, British Israelism) is not the only theology which Racially divides the Body of Christ into Jew and Gentile, "Israel" and "Not-Israel", Blood and Blood-lines.

Dispensational Zionist Foolishness

The future dispensational kingdom involves a racial prejudice favoring the Jews above even saved Gentiles during the millennium. As such it re-introduces the distinction between Jew and Gentile and replaces Faith with Race as a basis for divine favor. Consider the following citations from leading dispensationalists: (DISPENSATIONAL DISTORTIONS PART TWO, Redemptive History Distortions ~~ Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., Th.D.)

• Ryrie: "Three groups of people will be related to the millennial government. Israel, regathered and turned to the Lord in salvation, will be exalted, blessed, and favored throughout the period."
• Pentecost: "The Gentiles will be Israel's servants during that age. . . . The Gentiles that are in the millennium will have experienced conversion prior to admission."
• Walvoord speaks of "Israel's restoration and exaltation in the millennial kingdom."
• Herman Hoyt (past president of Grace Theological Seminary) puts it quite starkly: "The redeemed living nation of Israel, regenerated and regathered to the land, will be head over all the nations of earth. . . . So he exalts them above the Gentile nations . . . . On the lowest level there are the saved, living, Gentile nations."
• Popular prophecy writer Dave Hunt comments: "The Messiah ruling the world from the throne of David and with national Israel restored to its place of supremacy over the nations."

However, with the establishment of the New Testament phase of the Church, the distinction between Jew and Gentile has been abolished. This was the whole point of Peter's vision of the sheet filled with unclean animals in Acts 10: "What God has called clean, let no man call unclean." Thus, there is no separate Jewish program exalting them over saved Gentiles. THE CHURCH, which includes Jew and Gentile in one body, is the fruition and culmination of God's promises to the Jews. In evidence of this, we should note that Christians are called by distinctively Jewish names in the New Testament. "He is a Jew, which is one inwardly" (Rom. 2:29). Christians are called "the circumcision" (Phil. 3:3), "the children" and "the seed of Abraham" (Gal. 3:7, 29), the "Jerusalem which is above" and the "children of the promise" (Gal. 4:24-29). In fact, Christians compose "the Israel of God" for we are a "new creature" regarding which "circumcision availeth nothing" (Gal. 6:16).

Comparing Foolishness with Foolishness

In closing, I ask only (according to the Hebrew logical-interpretive method of "how much the more?")... if the heretical British-Israel/Christian-Identity Racialists pervert True Christianity by dividing the People of God along Racial lines, then how much the more do Dispensationalists also pervert the Word of God and divide the People of God along equally Racialist lines?

Consider the following:

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• Three groups of people will be related to the millennial government. The White Race, regathered and turned to the Lord in salvation, will be exalted, blessed, and favored throughout the period.
  
• The Non-Whites will be The White Race's servants during that age. . . . The Non-Whites that are in the millennium will have experienced conversion prior to admission.
  
• The White Race's restoration and exaltation in the millennial kingdom...
  
• The redeemed living nation of The White Race, regenerated and regathered to the land, will be head over all the nations of earth. . . . So he exalts them above the Non-White nations . . . . On the lowest level there are the saved, living, Non-White nations.
  
• The Messiah ruling the world from the throne of David and with The White Race restored to its place of supremacy over the nations.
  
• God will keep his original promises to the fathers and will one day convert and place The White Race as the head of the nations.

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Those aren't Quotations from Richard Kelly Hoskins... granted, they may sound like Christian Identity quotations, but they aren't.

These are nothing less than direct quotations from the leading lights of Dispensationalism in America -- Ryrie, Pentecost, Walvoord, Hoyt, Hunt, Thomas Ice. (I could've quoted Hagee, I suppose, but the man is absolutely freakin' nutbar).

All that I did was to replace "Israel" with "The White Race", and replace "Gentiles" with "Non-Whites".
Does Dispensationalist "theology" destroy the Racial equality of the Body of Christ? What you see is what you get.

God Damn all Racial Theology.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Yep. Whether you're aware of it or not, that's the result of confusing theology with politics.

When Christ tells us "Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15) you would stop us and say not "every creature" should be evangelized.

Que bono?

[Religion Moderator]

"Spamming" would be posting the same thing repeatedly. Nevertheless, a 4,000 word reply should be an article on its own.

[Quix]

Very helpful.

Thanks.

Sorry for unnecessarily rattling any sensibilities.

I've been functioning under the uhhh understanding that it was better for FR for some reason to minimize the number of new threads on similar topics.

Has that old standard changed?

[Quix]

you would stop us and say not "every creature" should be evangelized.
= = = =

From post #1001.

I guess it's fitting to assert yet again for the umpteenth time . . .

NOT AT ALL. Not my belief. Not my practice. 'Tis a False accusation against my brand of dispensationalism. Was so the first assertion of it. And the 2nd. And the 3rd.

And the 4th.
And the 5th.
And the 6th
And the 7th
And the 8th
. . . .
And the umpteenth.
'Twill be so the umpteenth +1.

I realize Marxists assert an untruth repeatedly to convince the masses that a lie is the truth.

I'm not sure why Hollanders do it.

[DAVEY CROCKETT]

There are lots of OT prophecies yet to be fulfilled.

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There were all filled before or on The Cross.

I assume you've read EZEK; DANIEL; ISAIAH . . .

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This is just wrong and YOU know it.
YOU HAVE FREEP MAIL.

[Quix]

Actually, I don't know anything wrong about what I wrote. Sorry, if so.

[Religion Moderator]

I've been functioning under the uhhh understanding that it was better for FR for some reason to minimize the number of new threads on similar topics.

It's a judgment call - but generally speaking, it is worth the effort to summarize and/or format a reply with the assumption that most Lurkers/Freepers will be scanning the replies on a thread instead of reading every word.

Likewise, significant research often merits a thread of its own due to size or because Lurkers/Freepers are more likely to read the entire article than the replies - or to bring more attention to the subject.

[Quix]

I think I can wrap my mind around those criteria.

Thanks for your kind exhortation. Please slap me upside the head if I get it wrong in the future.

Much appreciate your bother.

God's best to you and yours.

[DAVEY CROCKETT]

Thanks for your pings and keep me on your ping list. I am lurking until I have a question.

[hosepipe]

[ With an understanding of the statement, or a misunderstanding? ]

My statement or Jesus's statement...

[Thinkin' Gal]

Sorry, I meant this quote:

[ Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." ]

[hosepipe]

[ Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." ]

If true that would make Jesus, very God.. The very one that inhabited the Holy of Holies behind the Veil..

[Thinkin' Gal]

If true that would make Jesus, very God.. The very one that inhabited the Holy of Holies behind the Veil..

If misunderstood, it would look like Jesus was claiming to be God. That would certainly explain the hostile reception. Levi existed before he (Levi) was born.

[Seven_0]

Just to be precise, the Bible does not say that tares exist in the kingdom of heaven either. Only if you misread Matt. 13:24 can one come to that conclusion.

"Another parable He put forth to them, saying: 'The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; ..."

The field is not the kingdom of heaven, at least not in that parable. It is a common misconception. Perhaps the result of a faulty "rightly dividing".

Great argument TC. Paying attention to details is the beginning of Dispensationalism. But read on;

Matt 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

There are certainly tares in the kingdom of heaven and in the Church. This is witnessed by the fact that they must be cleansed.

Matt 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

The Church in this case may be confusing because she is born of the flesh and born of the spirit.

[hosepipe]

[ If misunderstood, it would look like Jesus was claiming to be God. ]

Thats just the point they "didn't" misunderstand it..
Meaning, "God MUST perform according to their Dogma", or they were capable of murder.. The Rabbis thought they owned God instead of them being owned by God..

Same is true in many places today.. God is "used" merely as a funding tool.. It's like a religious tax by clergy..

[1000 silverlings]

But there will be sacrifices in the Millennial Kingdom, for the sins of the nations (Ezek.45:17-25) This is where I get lost.

I used to too, but now that I understand it more fully, no, there will be no blood sacrifices in the temple described by Ezekiel.

[topcat54]

Great argument TC. Paying attention to details is the beginning of Dispensationalism. ...

Thanks.

... But read on;

OK

Matt 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

OK, so what in that verse identifies the makeup of the "kingdom of heaven"? It's not he field, cuz we are told the field is the "world". (Do you believe the world is the same as the "kingdom of heaven"?) And it's not the tares, cuz the tares are the children of the wicked one (i.e., not the children of the kingdom). The only identification of the kingdom has to do with "the good seed". They are the "children of the kingdom [of heaven]".

Just because the "good seed" exists in the field/world does not make the field/world the same as the kingdom of heaven. We may live in the world, but "they are not of the world, even as I am not of it."

There are certainly tares in the kingdom of heaven ...

Not according to Matthew 13 as I have just demonstrated.

and in the Church.

If by "church" you mean that visible gathering of people down the street, then it is true there are unbelievers in the visible church. "Not all Israel is Israel."

If you are speaking of the universal assembly of all God's regenerated saints, then there are clearly not tares in the invisible church.

This is witnessed by the fact that they must be cleansed.

Matt 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

But the field is not the kingdom. That is where some folks get confused. They misread Matt. 13 parables. The field/world contains both good seed ("children of the kingdom") and tares ("children of the wicked one").

But no where in this passage does it equate the kingdom with the field/world.

Remember, when Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is like" He was using a metaphor to describe spiritual things. He was not making an exact representation of one with the other. Folks need to be able to deal with the figures of speech appropriately and not read too much into them, especially things which are not there in order to make theological points.

Hope this helps.

[1000 silverlings]

Yes, verse 41, says the angels will gather them out of "his kingdom", so "his kingdom" on earth, is the church. Believers and unbelievers grow together, and only God knows which are tares and which are wheat. To uproot a tare, say an unbelieving mother, but one who brings 4 kids to Sunday school, why if just one child is a true believer, you are better off leaving them all there rather than hurt the little one who believes.

[Seven_0]

But no where in this passage does it equate the kingdom with the field/world.

Matt 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

There are two kingdoms. Them which do iniquity are the tares which dwell in the Earthly kingdom for a time.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Here, Christ reigns with his father in the heavenly kingdom while we will reign with Christ in the Earthly kingdom.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for your excellent essay-post on faith and reason! It needs to be an article on its own, IMHO, because a lot of discomfort in the crevo wars stems from treating the two as mutually exclusive rather than complementary, recognizing that reason cannot substitue for faith.

Loved the Einstein quote - hadn't seen that one before. Of course, I'm always drawn to the Bohr and St. Anselm quotes!