Admonition received, b-d, which is why I'm changing my own language to say dispensational pretrib premil(lennialist) whenever referring to the "date picker/fortune teller" crowd. Yours isn't the popular Walvoord/Lindsey/Hagee view, ... if I were (still) premil, I would hold to the same eschatological views that blue-duncan does.
If I can, I'll try to dig up a good article on the differences between the historic premil view, the popular dispensational premil view, and any others I might find as I go along.
I'm confused. b-d refers to "pretribs". You speak of "historic premil". I'm not aware of any historic premil that are pretribbers. The pretrib rapture is a decidedly dispensational invention.
Can someone point me to an article by someone who is not dispensational but is decidedly pretrib?
b-d, did you mean pretrib or premil? Which are you?
Can someone point me to an article by someone who is not dispensational but is decidedly pretrib?
I may be causing some of that confusion, topcat. b-d has never referred to himself as a "historic premil", but he and I have discussed "pre-rapture conditions" at length and he has articulated positions inconsistent with the more popular dispensational premil views. In short, b-d does not believe that history will get "worse and worse" prior to a pretrib rapture of the saints, a position that eliminates a great deal of the sign-watching, date-setting newspaper exegesis activities done by the dispensational premils. If the rapture didn't occur, IMO b-d's system resembles postmillennialism in it's optimistic view of the church's success in history, and for that reason I've associated his with the historic premil view (which may not be an accurate association). b-d, feel free to correct me where I'm wrong here.
FWIW, I have been unable to find a historic vs dispensational premil article that I'm happy with, or even two that agree with each other re the key differences. I'll keep looking.