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To: topcat54; xzins; blue-duncan; Buggman; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; Lee N. Field; Gamecock; TomSmedley
That certainly is the main intent of my posts, to see the folly in the logical outworking of the dispensational system as it is commonly found in American evangelical circles.

Maybe so, but your threads all have a common denominator that evangelical support for Israel somehow is motivated by a hope that the Jews will return to the land so that God can wipe out more Jews when he kills off 2/3 of them.

If that point is not made in the article itself it is made within a few posts of the time the article is posted.

This article is particularly eggregious. Within a few sentences we get this blurb: "In the debate, I wanted Tommy to explain how a belief in Israel’s glorious future results in the slaughter of two-thirds of the Jews living at the time the Great Tribulation nears the end of its seven-year run."

It is as if the author is mocking the prophecy of God and attempting to use the words of God in the bible as a tool to make Tommy Ice look cruel, when in fact the author is really attempting to make God look cruel. That is pathetic.

The author of this article and the authors of many of the articles you post believe the worst of those of us who support Israel's right to exist and who believe that God is bringing the Jews back to the land for his own purposes.

The fact of the matter is that regardless of whether the Jews believe in Christ or not, we are told by God that if we curse them we shall be cursed and if we bless them we shall be blessed.

If for no other reason than that we should be supporting Israel whether we are dispensationalists or not. As Bible believers we ought to take the promises of God seriously and in this case those who do not take them seriously are in danger of being cursed by God.

153 posted on 08/08/2006 6:53:16 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; blue-duncan; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; Lee N. Field; Gamecock; TomSmedley
If that point is not made in the article itself it is made within a few posts of the time the article is posted.

This article is particularly eggregious. Within a few sentences we get this blurb: "In the debate, I wanted Tommy to explain how a belief in Israel’s glorious future results in the slaughter of two-thirds of the Jews living at the time the Great Tribulation nears the end of its seven-year run."

It is as if the author is mocking the prophecy of God and attempting to use the words of God in the bible as a tool to make Tommy Ice look cruel, when in fact the author is really attempting to make God look cruel. That is pathetic.

If you are claiming that Tommy Ice has infallibly interpreted God's prophetic word, then your wpoint is well taken.

Otherwise, Tommy is open to criticism, and the odd view of futurist dispensdationalism, that God's chosen, future, earthly people will be "blessed" by having 2/3 of them living in the "promised land" killed before they can find salvation through no fault of their own is fair game.

Don't confuse criticism of Tommy's odd views with criticism of God and His infallible word. Unfortunately, many dispensationalist take it personally. That's why some of them like to use words like "anti-semite" to describe their theological opponents.

The author of this article and the authors of many of the articles you post believe the worst of those of us who support Israel's right to exist and who believe that God is bringing the Jews back to the land for his own purposes.

We don't think the worst, we just think the position is theologically naive for clear reasons outlined in the articles.

As Bible believers we ought to take the promises of God seriously and in this case those who do not take them seriously are in danger of being cursed by God.

Again, this is an example of one of the backhanded attempts to paint your opponents as folks who do not take God's promuises seriously. On the contrary, we take them very seriously and we hate to see them distorted by futurists.

155 posted on 08/08/2006 7:02:52 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: P-Marlowe
As Bible believers we ought to take the promises of God seriously and in this case those who do not take them seriously are in danger of being cursed by God

An odd (or at least inconsistent) statement, coming from a dispensational pretrib premillennialist.

For the dispensational pretrib premillenial vision to prove true, God has to bless the unfaithful, and curse the faithful in time and history, in order for Satan's forces to amass power and authority and responsibility to the extent of controlling the whole world prior to the Second Coming. How would dispensational pretrib premillennialism come to pass otherwise?

A picture is worth a thousand words. See post #102 for a picture of the dispensational pretrib premillennial victory in Christ.

158 posted on 08/08/2006 7:22:19 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 2:6)
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To: P-Marlowe; topcat54; xzins; blue-duncan; Buggman; Alex Murphy; Lee N. Field; Gamecock; ...
The fact of the matter is that regardless of whether the Jews believe in Christ or not, we are told by God that if we curse them we shall be cursed and if we bless them we shall be blessed. If for no other reason than that we should be supporting Israel whether we are dispensationalists or not.

I don't support Israel because I think God will bring a curse upon me. I support them because, in this instance, they are correct in defending themselves. If Israel did something horrific would you still support them, fearing a curse by God? God demands of Christians that they do and support justice.

Your statement is what happens when you mix politics with religion. Can you imagine how one of our Arab friends might take your comment? A Jew is every bit as lost as a Muslim. There is no difference either inside or outside of Christ.

167 posted on 08/08/2006 8:32:56 AM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luke 24:45)
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