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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Hi OP,

As far as "normative" tradition, sorry for any confusion. I meant as a norm or rule of faith. Obviously Protestants do recognize normative traditions such as the Lutheran Confessions or the WCF but they aren't rules of faith.

I can't agree that Calvin recognizes the existence of a "free-will" in the sense Augustine does. Augustine recognizes that, even under the influence of efficacious grace, the will retains the power to resist, i.e. its freedom. Calvin, so far as I can tell, doesn't.

As far as the other points, I'll leave them for that future thread.


160 posted on 08/05/2006 5:39:13 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Destruction is thy own, O Israel; thy help is only in Me.)
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To: gbcdoj
I can't agree that Calvin recognizes the existence of a "free-will" in the sense Augustine does. Augustine recognizes that, even under the influence of efficacious grace, the will retains the power to resist, i.e. its freedom. Calvin, so far as I can tell, doesn't.

Could Saul resist Him on the road to Damascus?

If God is determined to turn you from the path to hell, He will prevail.

Let's not forget who is the Potter and who is the clay.
161 posted on 08/06/2006 5:10:47 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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