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To: Petronski

And 2000 years of scholarships says they are wrong. What about Martin Luther? He says they are wrong.


257 posted on 07/22/2006 5:49:42 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade
And 2000 years of scholarships says they are wrong.

Feh. Says you. And you have a history on this thread of untruths.

What about Martin Luther?

What about him?

He says they are wrong.

And so do you. And both you and he bear a certain animus towards the Roman Catholic Church, why would I trust either of you? Why would I care? Why would the Roman Catholic Church care?

Luther was so bound by biblical concerns that he deleted several books from the Bible. Nice.

258 posted on 07/22/2006 5:52:42 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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Dear marajade,

"And 2000 years of scholarships says they are wrong."

Please cite for me a Christian Scripture scholar from 2000 years ago who says that celibate priests are unbiblical.

Please cite for me such a person from, say, 1700 years ago, or even 1500 years ago. Or perhaps a thousand years ago.


sitetest


259 posted on 07/22/2006 5:56:48 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: marajade
Hardly 2000 years . . . the Protestant Reformation is barely 500 years old.

As for Luther, you don't know much about what he himself said . . .

In the third place, from this ordinance of creation God has himself exempted three categories of men, saying in Matthew 19 [:12], “There are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.” Apart from these three groups, let no man presume to be without a spouse. And whoever does not fall within one of these categories should not consider anything except the estate of marriage. . . .

The third category consists of those spiritually rich and exalted persons, bridled by the grace of God, who are equipped for marriage by nature and physical capacity and nevertheless voluntarily remain celibate. These put it this way, “I could marry if I wish, I am capable of it. But it does not attract me. I would rather work on the kingdom of heaven, i.e., the gospel, and beget spiritual children.” Such persons are rare, not one in a thousand, for they are a special miracle of God. No one should venture on such a life unless he be especially called by God, like Jeremiah [16:2], or unless he finds God’s grace to be so powerful within him that the divine injunction, “Be fruitful and multiply,” has no place in him.

-- The Estate of Marriage (1522) LW, vol. 45, 18-19, 21)
260 posted on 07/22/2006 5:57:19 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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