[Rytwyng]

The ONLY people *I* know who kneel and accept the Eucharistic host on the tongue are ALL charismatics.

That's very interesting. Because (as I posted some months ago), the whole Charismatic movement might just be driven by an unconscious need for sacramentalism.... hence the laying on of hands, the miracles (or desire for such), the desire for the prophetic, the prayer cloths and special anointing oil from Israel, yours for a donation of $9.99 or more. (I can joke about them, 'cause I am one myself.)

Laugh all you want, but -- speaking from personal experience -- all of this Pentecostal stuff is driven by a DEEP desire for a DIRECT encounter with God. Indeed, if a geniune miracle occurs at every Mass, well, then, that's the strongest argument I can think of for swimming the Tiber.

[dangus]

>> Laugh all you want, but -- speaking from personal experience -- all of this Pentecostal stuff is driven by a DEEP desire for a DIRECT encounter with God. Indeed, if a geniune miracle occurs at every Mass, well, then, that's the strongest argument I can think of for swimming the Tiber. <<

Absolutely! You should have heard some of the Pentecostalist prayers I've heard; desperately pleading for the body and blood of Christ. Say what you want about them, but those are live wires they are playing with.

[dangus]

>> speaking from personal experience ... if a geniune miracle occurs at every Mass, well, then, that's the strongest argument I can think of for swimming the Tiber.<<

I just found another way to interpret that. Not sure which way is what you meant, but all I can say is that the water's fine. And I've known several Protestants who converted when they first experienced Eucharistic Adoration. His presence may be hidden behind the accidents* of water and wine, but some people who are starving badly enough can detect Him anyway.

[ArrogantBustard]

if a geniune miracle occurs at every Mass,

"Miracle" is as good a description as any for what we Catholic believe happens at Mass.