Posted on 07/11/2006 5:22:16 PM PDT by Salvation
I would venture to say, without any color of authority, that a marriage entered into with the intention that it be lifelong and all the rest of it, (love, cherish, inconditional, forsaking all others -- which isn't as much about old girl-friends as it is about this relationship taking priority over all other) AND understood as being a covenant within the covenantal framework of the work of Christ and so forth would be a valid or real marriage and would be part of the stream of Grace - both receiving and conveying grace.
However, there's a sort of plene esse (fullness of being?) which is promised (or the avaialability/accessability is promised) to couples in the Church which is not necessarily guaranteed to those outside the Church. (And I mean no offense but I think the Catholic Church also has a unique plene esse of "Churchness")
God showers grace where He will, He doesn't consult me, and He's "not a tame Lion", so I am uncertain about saying where He does NOT shed grace. But He is faithful and true and has promised certain graces in certain contexts under certain conditions.
I trust I make myself obscure.
BTTT
Yes, he married us. Baptized our first two children, then unfortunately passed away in 1994 of cancer at age 54. God rest his soul. Wonderful priest and uncle.
Try it.
Dear newberger,
The Catholic Church assumes that marriage between two non-Catholic baptized persons is sacramental, unless shown otherwise.
For non-Catholic Christians who are received into the Catholic Church after having been divorced from another non-Catholic Christian, the Church requires a declaration of nullity of the previous marriage(s) before permitting the convert to marry in the Church. This is precisely because the Church recognizes the validity of non-Catholic Christian marriage.
sitetest
And I believe the question hasn't been answered.
I would have to ask how you came up with that question in the first place based on what was said. You are making illogical jumps, which appears to be just an intro to Catholic bashing.
Discuss the issues, but do NOT make it personal. Attributing motives to another poster is making it personal.
That said, no, fat people and depressed people are not evil. Please let me know how you got to that conclusion, and I would love to point out any areas in which I perceive errors.
I've been fat and I am depressed, and as a matter of fact, I am if not evil certainly fallen and beset with sins. But, as was said in another connection, Thanks be to God who gives us the victory in our Lord IHS XP. According to authorities I trust, God loves me and would love me if fat old grumpy me were the only person in the world. And God's love does wonderful things.
For example. I can now benchpress my weight in pizza.
Okay, maybe that's not such a good example.
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