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Sacramental Grace is the Difference
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| Theresa A. Thomas
Posted on 07/11/2006 5:22:16 PM PDT by Salvation
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posted on
07/11/2006 5:22:21 PM PDT
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Salvation
To: Salvation
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posted on
07/11/2006 5:24:42 PM PDT
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Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ...
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posted on
07/11/2006 5:26:16 PM PDT
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Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: klossg
An obvious Theology of the Body and Pope John Paul II ping.
Please post any links if you can too.
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posted on
07/11/2006 5:32:07 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: All
Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said: "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a suitable partner for him."
Genesis 2:23-25
- 5 the man said: "This one, at last, is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; This one shall be called 'woman,' for out of 'her man' this one has been taken."
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- 6 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife, and the two of them become one body.
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- The man and his wife were both naked, yet they felt no shame.
Ephesians 5:21-33
- 5 Be subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ. 6
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- Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord.
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- For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body.
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- As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything.
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- Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her
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- to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word,
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- that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
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- So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
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- For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church,
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- because we are members of his body.
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- "For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
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- This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.
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- In any case, each one of you should love his wife as himself, and the wife should respect her husband.
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posted on
07/11/2006 6:00:25 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Salvation
Nice post Salvation. My late uncle (who was a RC priest) told my husband and I on our wedding day that there must always be three persons in our marriage (meaning God as the third).
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posted on
07/11/2006 6:05:02 PM PDT
by
Gerish
(Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
To: Gerish
Absolutely, and the holy marriage is the closet we can come to understand the Trinity.
The man and woman love each other and through them children are born.
The Father and Son love one another and through them we have the Holy Spirit.
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posted on
07/11/2006 6:08:03 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Gerish
*8My late uncle (who was a RC priest)
Did he marry you?
My cousin who is a priest in Pennsylvania traveled to Nebraska to marry us.
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posted on
07/11/2006 6:09:07 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Salvation
Take care of yourselves. Remember your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. A wifes body is probably not going to look the way it did before she had children. Nevertheless, she should care for it by eating right and exercising. This is in keeping with the dignity of the human person. Likewise, a husband should strive to be in good physical and mental condition. In the same vein, beware of excesses. Do not mistake caring for the body with becoming obsessed with exercise to the point of neglecting daily duties.So fat guys and people with depression are evil?
To: Salvation; onyx; kstewskis; ELS
Wonderful ... wonderful. Thank you.
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posted on
07/11/2006 6:15:04 PM PDT
by
STARWISE
(They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
To: STARWISE
BTTT! (Wondering why a post I just typed out didn't post.) Hmmmm.
Thanks for your kind words.
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posted on
07/11/2006 6:24:08 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Dont Mention the War
So fat guys and people with depression are evil?I believe that sounds like a strawman argument written to get a bunch of posters upset with you.
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posted on
07/11/2006 6:35:38 PM PDT
by
technochick99
( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
To: Salvation
This is a great article. Wonderful take on marriage and how to make it last.
BUT...
It raises a huge question in my mind which I've wanted to ask for years.
For background, my dear wife and I recently celebrated
thirty years together. Although we are now Orthodox, we
were married in an Evangelical Protestant church. We
decided before marriage that divorce just was not an option
for the future. God was at the center of our marriage.
1. Does the Roman Catholic church view Christian but non-catholic as sacramental?
2. If our marriage being committed and covenantal is not sacramental, what is the difference?
Paul (aka Newberger)
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posted on
07/11/2006 6:54:11 PM PDT
by
newberger
(Christ s risen from the dead, trampling down death by death!)
To: newberger
Your Evangelical Protestant wedding is considered Sacramental just like Protestant baptisms are considered Sacramental.
*(as long as you both were free to marry, no prior Marriages, neither not forced into Marriage, free consent, neither of you were Catholic at the time, etc.)
congrats on your anniversary.
To: Salvation
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posted on
07/11/2006 7:18:45 PM PDT
by
NYer
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To: technochick99
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posted on
07/11/2006 8:00:13 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: newberger
Your marriage is just as holy. Just have it blessed in the orthodox church.
The graces that come from God are the difference........and I'm not saying that only Catholics receive them.
Catholics celebrate a Sacrament. That is the difference.
BTW, just to emphasize this, where did Christ perform his first miracle? Yes, at a covenant wedding!
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posted on
07/11/2006 8:02:57 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: NYer
The article you posted was likewise fantastic. That's why I linked both of them to one another.
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posted on
07/11/2006 8:03:53 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Nihil Obstat
You said it better than I. Thanks.
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posted on
07/11/2006 8:04:18 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Salvation
Does this mean that for non-catholic Christians who enter
marriage with the right intent (covenant, etc), the marriage
is sacramental even if they don't think of it that way or
even use the term (e.g. Baptists)?
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posted on
07/11/2006 10:11:27 PM PDT
by
newberger
(Christ s risen from the dead, trampling down death by death!)
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