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1 posted on 07/08/2006 6:31:23 PM PDT by sionnsar
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2 posted on 07/08/2006 6:32:01 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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I think this church really stepped in it, with the big pro-gay movement within. Most likely this will drive away more, than it will attract.


3 posted on 07/08/2006 6:33:40 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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This explains something to me that I did not understand.

Henry Louttit is currently my parents' bishop, in the Diocese of Georgia (the south half of the state.)

I knew he was a "go along to get along" type guy, but this past week he had a letter distributed in all the ECUSA churches in S. GA (we were visiting my parents), which consisted of the MOST weasely, sniveling, doubletalking nonsense I have ever read (and as a lawyer I have read some SERIOUS doubletalking nonsense.) The burden of his extremely lengthy letter was that . . . the majority of the bishops in ECUSA think that the ECUSA has complied with Windsor, and because "majority rules" therefore it is so!. And therefore he will not do anything to challenge ECUSA, or join the dioceses that are seeking alternative jurisdiction.

I wondered how an otherwise fairly decent fellow could put such words in his own mouth, essentially saying that Truth can be decided by majority vote rather than the Word of God . . . (and of course if he follows that logic to its conclusion, then the majority of the Anglican Communion ought to trump the majority of ECUSA, but let that pass) . . .

But now I understand, he got burned by the abortive heresy trial back in 1966. The honorable thing to do at that time would have been to stick to his guns, but he decided in favor of timeserving. He never rose any further in the church, and he has a backwater diocese and will die there. And this is where all his timeserving has got him.

That's a hell of a denouement, isn't it? (and I mean that quite literally.) It's amazing how dealing with the devil will compromise good and honest men.

5 posted on 07/08/2006 7:29:38 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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Episcopalians were told that The Book of Common Prayer - dating back to the 16th century -- was too penitential, too focused on sin. When praying, people knelt like cowering serfs instead of standing straight and tall. They repeated phrases like "have mercy upon us, miserable offenders" and "there is no health in us." Even worse, the Episcopal Church had an all-male clergy in an emerging era of militant feminism. If a woman could be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, she should be able to be a priest or a bishop in the Episcopal Church.

...because Elizabeth I settled this issue for me when she came to the throne in the 1500s, I have no problem with women in church leadership. The problem, IMHO, is deviation from doctrine by EUSA: i.e.--blessing homosexual unions, PRACTICING gay and lesbian bishops. I don't however feel that homosexuals should be shown the door of the church and, as long as particular congregations are okay with it, I don't care if individual priests are of that perculiar proclivity (though my individual preferenace would be for them to remain celibate). But if they are while a parishoner can opt out of one Episcopal church and go to another, bishops control a geographic See so it would be difficult for worshipers (like myself) to find another church if in disagreement with the priest's conduct.

13 posted on 07/10/2006 7:40:25 AM PDT by meandog (If I were to draw the odious Islamic prophet Muhammad, he would have horns, a tail, and a pitchfork!)
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