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Vatican opposes female clergy anywhere, gives reasons from Bible
Associated Press ^ | Saturday, July 8, 2006 | Richard N. Ostling

Posted on 07/08/2006 9:23:38 AM PDT by WestTexasWend

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To: marajade; sitetest
So tell me, how many Catholic priests in your church have been married once?

So how many times was Jesus married?

Jesus Himself speaks of celibacy in Matthew 19:11-12: "Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it." Again, the emphasis is on the special nature of celibacy, one for which not all men are suited, but one that nevertheless gives glory to "the kingdom of God."

Perhaps the best evidence for the scriptural support of celibacy is that Jesus Himself practiced it!

81 posted on 07/08/2006 2:53:52 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: dollars_for_dogma

Don't think so. Since it doesn't follow the same book of Timothy it using as justification to block women from the priesthood but ignore the qualifications it sets out for its priesthood.


82 posted on 07/08/2006 2:55:15 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade
Just like my own interpretation of what First Timothy Chapter four verse one means too... and First Peter chapter one verse 20. Right.

Just as long as you recognize that it is indeed only your private interpretation of Scripture and not the Word of God itself.

83 posted on 07/08/2006 2:55:43 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: NYer

Jesus was God, are priests in the Catholic Church?


84 posted on 07/08/2006 2:56:20 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Petrosius

I take that to mean you didn't read the first chapter of Peter.


85 posted on 07/08/2006 2:57:06 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade
>>>>I don't belong to any organized religion. I just try to worship as God intended, through the holy spirit and the Word of God.

Actually, relying on the passage from Timothy you've focused on, it seems that God is in favor of "organized religion," in particular, one organized with bishops. So why aren't you following God and in a church with bishops?

86 posted on 07/08/2006 2:58:03 PM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Graymatter
Would someone please explain what is meant here? Is he saying that the Anglican church should not have women bishops until and unless the Roman Catholic church approves?

I think you should also read right underneath that statement:

Anglicans cannot assume Catholicism will someday drop objections to female priests and bishops, Kasper said. "The Catholic Church is convinced that she has no right to do so."

He's the head of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. You can not have Christian unity if you are in disagreement with one another. Does that make sense?

87 posted on 07/08/2006 2:58:20 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: marajade
Where on earth is this documented?

Again, I would refer you to the book I mentioned above which goes into much more detail than I could here.

In any case, it should also be remembered that this is only a question of discipline and not doctrine. Our faith should not rise or fall on the matter.

88 posted on 07/08/2006 2:58:59 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: JCEccles
It is a flock of sheep and lambs, not a scattering of self-indulgent cats.

Take a drive through Liberty County, Texas, northeast of Houston. The number of one-off single church denominations is astounding. Plenty of self-indulgent cats out there thanks to that renegade monk.

89 posted on 07/08/2006 3:01:02 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: Thorin

Is there one? If there is, I'd like to know.


90 posted on 07/08/2006 3:02:06 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

It's always through people. The Church isn't a monolith, it's a collection of people.


91 posted on 07/08/2006 3:02:35 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: Petrosius

"Our faith should not rise or fall on the matter."

Did I say it did? All I'm saying is I choose not worship at a Church who doesn't believe/practice what the Word says.


92 posted on 07/08/2006 3:03:30 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: ichabod1

And what distinguishes the Catholic Church from a self indulgent cat? Its telling its believers to practice a discipline which isn't supported by Scripture, its telling its believers to practice something that says the opposite.


93 posted on 07/08/2006 3:05:14 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: ichabod1

Have to disagree. I feel that it's mistreating the wound. The problem with the homosexualization and liberalization of some of the clergy won't be cured just by ending the celibacy tradition.


94 posted on 07/08/2006 3:05:35 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: ichabod1

"It's always through people."

Guess you haven't read the gospel of John?


95 posted on 07/08/2006 3:06:21 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade
I take that to mean you didn't read the first chapter of Peter.

Foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you.
(1 Peter 1:20)
And how does this apply to our discussion?
96 posted on 07/08/2006 3:06:38 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: marajade
Jesus was God, are priests in the Catholic Church?

I'd think we'd want to do our best to emulate Christ, wouldn't you. Doesn't make us Christ of course. No one said it would.
97 posted on 07/08/2006 3:07:33 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: marajade
Don't think so. Since it doesn't follow the same book of Timothy it using as justification to block women from the priesthood...

In the Catholic Church, the cafeteria is closed on this issue.

Open your local phone book....now, count the number of "bible churches."

Every one has a different set of beliefs, but all of them will swear they are following the Word of God.

So, did our Lord want the squabbling and confusion of protestantism (root word: protest)--wandering in the desert until His return...

or do you think he wanted unity among his people?
98 posted on 07/08/2006 3:08:30 PM PDT by dollars_for_dogma
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To: Petrosius

Sorry, wrong scripture. I'm looking up the right one okay?

I thought I knew it off the top of my head, it was arrogant of me.

Try II Peter first chapter verse 20.


99 posted on 07/08/2006 3:09:59 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade
All I'm saying is I choose not worship at a Church who doesn't believe/practice what the Word says.

Rather, you are saying that you choose not to worship at a church which does not believe/practice what you think the Word says. I read the same passage and come to a different conclusion.

100 posted on 07/08/2006 3:10:17 PM PDT by Petrosius
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