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Vatican opposes female clergy anywhere, gives reasons from Bible
Associated Press ^
| Saturday, July 8, 2006
| Richard N. Ostling
Posted on 07/08/2006 9:23:38 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: WestTexasWend; NYer
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posted on
07/08/2006 9:42:09 AM PDT
by
Carolina
To: WestTexasWend
Protestants who forbid women clergy don't usually cite Jesus' choice of male apostles but rather 1 Timothy 2:12 ("I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent").The Apostle Paul was not just casually mentioning his personal disapproval of women as pastors when he wrote that into holy scripture, he was instructing Timothy under divine inspiration on how God intends for his church leaders and overseers (pastors, bishops, etc) to organize and operate local church congregations.
That portion of scripture is primarily why we Baptists do not ordain women as pastors, and I would think that it is also a large part of the reason why the Catholic Church does not ordain women to the priesthood or the higher ranks of clergy. I hope that both churches stick to their biblical principles and do not cave in to feminist activism concerning this matter.
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posted on
07/08/2006 10:00:51 AM PDT
by
epow
(Life is tough, it's even tougher if you're a DUmmy. moonbat living in Mom's basement.)
To: epow
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07/08/2006 10:31:04 AM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
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posted on
07/08/2006 10:51:40 AM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: WestTexasWend
Gosh, where were these people? I read many reports about Cardinal Kasper's comments about the Anglicans ordaining women. It was all over the BBC and UK press and MSNBC carried a report about it.
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posted on
07/08/2006 11:03:29 AM PDT
by
FJ290
To: epow
I would like to see a good thorough discussion on masculine gifts and feminine gifts (not just scriptuiral, and not just theological, but anthropological and physiological, including body stucture and brain structure) and some exploration of how different gifts might translate into different roles.
God created the book of nature as well as the book of Scripture, the laws of nature as well as the laws of Scripture.
I think that as long as we live on God's good earth, sex will always be a meaningful category, a category with broad consequences far beyond one's fitness to be a wetnurse or a sperm donor.
The broad, meaningful --- and God-designed, blessed and beautiful --- consequences of male/female: that's what I'd like to see expanded on, celebrated, and implemented.
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posted on
07/08/2006 11:13:12 AM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(Click.)
To: Salvation
So, the Catholic Church, despite it all, continues to oppose female clergy, homosexual unions, abortion and assisted suicide.
Imagine that.
Sometimes it feels really great to be a Catholic. This is one of those times.
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posted on
07/08/2006 11:40:00 AM PDT
by
Barnacle
(Happy Birthday America!)
To: WestTexasWend
So the Church cites first timothy when it comes to reason why women can't be priests but it overlooks timothy when it says that priests should be married. Okie dokie.
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posted on
07/08/2006 11:42:40 AM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: epow
I hope that both churches stick to their biblical principles and do not cave in to feminist activism concerning this matter. Can you imagine Pope Benedict caving into anything? Thank God we have another great pope.
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posted on
07/08/2006 11:45:53 AM PDT
by
Barnacle
(Happy Birthday America!)
To: marajade
So the Church cites first timothy when it comes to reason why women can't be priests but it overlooks timothy when it says that priests should be married. Okie dokie.
The Church has never said priests cannot be married. As we all should know, the Eastern Rites of the Church allow for married priests, and the Western Rite (the Roman Catholic Church as most see it) allows for certain Anglican and Lutheran married clergy that convert to be priests.
To: marajade
The prohibition of married clergy in the Latin rite is only a matter of discipline. It is not based on any biblical or doctrinal basis. Thus it could be changed at any time. Note former Protestant clergy who ordained under the Church's Pastoral Provision and the many Eastern Rite Catholic churches that allow married priests (no bishops though)
To: WestTexasWend
Anglicans cannot assume Catholicism will someday drop objections to female priests and bishops, Kasper said. "The Catholic Church is convinced that she has no right to do so."
***
Hallelujah!
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posted on
07/08/2006 12:30:38 PM PDT
by
Bigg Red
(Never trust Democrats with national security.)
To: Barnacle
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posted on
07/08/2006 12:33:07 PM PDT
by
karnage
To: Conservative til I die
"The Church has never said priests cannot be married."
Technically correct but a falsehood nonethe less. The Catholic Church believes its Pope has the final say in how it will teach its believers instead of just following the word of God.
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posted on
07/08/2006 12:37:01 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: fogofbobegabay
"Thus it could be changed at any time."
You mean just like the practice of polygamy in the Mormon Church?
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posted on
07/08/2006 12:37:54 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
To: marajade
Dear marajade,
The epistle that you cite merely states that bishops should be married no more than once, not that priests or bishops should be married.
The Catholic Church agrees. As well, the discipline in the Latin Rite is that priests typically will maintain vows of celibacy, as encouraged by St. Paul elsewhere.
sitetest
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posted on
07/08/2006 12:40:15 PM PDT
by
sitetest
(If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
To: marajade
No. I believe that the Mormons claimed some sort of divine revalation mandating the change. The Pope simply needs sound pastoral reasons to make the change.
To: marajade
So the Church cites first timothy when it comes to reason why women can't be priests but it overlooks timothy when it says that priests should be married. Okie dokie. My sentiments exactly.
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posted on
07/08/2006 12:44:07 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Colossians 4:6)
To: sitetest
I believe the book of Timothy states that priests should be the husband of but one wife and their children faithful. Big diff from what you are saying in my opinion.
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posted on
07/08/2006 12:44:18 PM PDT
by
marajade
(Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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