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To: Theoden
And since there is no scriptural basis for Mary's having anything to do with our redemption except historically being the mother of Jesus, why make up this superstition? What does it add to what Jesus has already accomplished for our salvation?

I may have quoted this statement, but I didn't make it, so part of your post should be aimed at someone else other than me.

Your universalism is actually heretical, but at least your belief in universal salvation is more internally consistent than a J*sus who is the redeemer of the human race but fails to assure the salvation of any individuals.

There is one point that for some reason doesn't seem to be getting through. You defend Catholic ritual and ceremonial and that is all well and good. But the fact is that Catholicism at its foundation utterly rejects Jewish ritual and ceremonial, most of which can actually be found right in the Bible. Traditional Catholic apologetics insists that Jewish ritual is "empty," "vain," "of none effect," and even "doctrines and commandments of men" (again, in spite of being found right in the Bible!). So the point is, why do you not understand people who apply the exact same logic to your ritual and ceremonial that you apply to the Jewish ritual and ceremonial?

According to Catholicism tefillin (authorized in four different passages in the Torah) is superfluous to a chr*stian. Why aren't rosary beads equally superfluous?

Please try to understand that question.

185 posted on 06/30/2006 1:48:59 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Pray for the defeat of Napoleon!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
...a J*sus who is the redeemer of the human race but fails to assure the salvation of any individuals.

That is not true. Here is my rebuttal:

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” ~Luke 23:43. See also:

Romans 4:16 -
Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

2 Corinthians 1:22 -
set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Corinthians 5:5 -
Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Ephesians 1:14 -
who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

Hebrews 7:22 -
Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

254 posted on 07/01/2006 3:15:40 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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